More Nationalities

[De Zwijger]

So I suppose now is the time to mod this game, and the first thing to do is to create more nationalities and leaders. To start with the Dutch of course. First to beat monarchy and replace it with a republic; and are windmills already introduced as an early industrial improvement? Anyway, I would like a larger array of national leaders to pick one from - and to meet as my opponents!

[alva]

Of course??!! why: of course?

Willem, Willem, willem...

[Datajack Franit]

zuh?

[Mao]

BAM!

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=142149&perpage=50&pagenumber=2

[Lumpkin]

Actually the Swiss beat the Dutch to resisting monarchy and forming a republic by several centuries. And they actually stayed as a republic forever.

But I agree that the Dutch should definitely be in.

[De Zwijger]

Thanks Lumpkin, you're right of course, forgot that. BTW, I later realized, those early republics, at least the Dutch one, were the result of the Protestant movement, resisting against not just the Pope in Rome, but the Catholic kings in general, like the Spanish in case of the Dutch. In view of the newly implemented religious factors in Civ IV - I wonder if this bit of history pops up somewhere?

[Meef]

well i guess we´ll have to wait for the SDK to come. right now modding options aren´t satisfying at all.

in fact i do think, european nations are kind of over-represented. i´d rather add some more african and mesopotamian nations.

[Lumpkin]

in fact i do think, european nations are kind of over-represented. i´d rather add some more african and mesopotamian nations.

I agree actually. This topic is actually address in more detail here and I've argued for a number additional African and South-East Asian civs to be included: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...0&pagenumber=1

However in the case of the Dutch they were a world empire which commanded huge areas of land across the globe and had a significant impact on world history. The same goes for Portugal; although the case for Portugal isn't so compelling IMHO because it is so closely linked to Spain. I just think any nation which created a vast long-lasting world empire should be included as a civ, even though it does mean the Europeans are over-represented.