The resource trades are broken!

[Handel]

You know you can trade your resourse even if you have only one sourse for it. Now presumably the AI mustn't want to trade resourses which you don't have spare sources... but it is not true. I had 2 sources of silver and without knowing I traded both of them (thinking the AI will not ask them if they are not double etc).
So I started to renegotiate every deal just to be sure - and the AI quite often keeps in red rerourses it wanted to trade itself.
So either the AI must not try to trade my single resourse or it must agree to trade what it wanted to trade.

[Adagio]

I agree, it's quite annoying when they ask for such a deal, and you have no chance to see how many of those resources you have left. And often you can't say no, go back to check, and the ask if the deal is ok, because often it's set as an untradeable resource, even though he just wanted to trade it

[Spiffor]

Err, the amount of resources you have at disposal is written in the diplo screen. It's (in brackets) right next to the name of the resource.

[Stuie]

If you click "Care to negotiate?" and then remove your resource from the deal, you can see how many you have. Then you can add yours back in and complete the trade. Just don't remove the AI's resource from the trade table.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Stuie
If you click "Care to negotiate?" and then remove your resource from the deal, you can see how many you have. Then you can add yours back in and complete the trade. Just don't remove the AI's resource from the trade table.

When I tried it last I accidently removed his resource, which (for some reason?) made the deal unavaliable

But the point is still that it shouldn't even consider such deals, there's no way I would consider to trade my only pig for his cow... why would I have to check each deal if it's ok?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Adagio
But the point is still that it shouldn't even consider such deals, there's no way I would consider to trade my only pig for his cow... why would I have to check each deal if it's ok?

Why not? Let's say you have other food resources, but just one pig. Why not trade that for a cow that gives you a production bonus?

[Adagio]

Ehmmm...? Doesn't the production bonus only apply if you actually work on the tile, instead of giving a production bonus for all cities?

[Boris Godunov]

Hmmm, possibly, now that you mention it. I'm not sure what exactly you get from trading non-strategic resources. Still, it does improve relations!

[Bhruic]

I'd be rather annoyed if I couldn't trade my one "X" for stone, or marble, or horses, or whatever else I'm lacking. And a lot of times, I'll trade my one "X" knowing that I've got another plot with it that I'm going to be developing soon.

Of course, I did make a mod so that the resources tab in the foreign advisors screen only shows dupes. Hmm. It should be possible to show the number of "X" you have when they request a trade.

I'll look into it at some point.

Bh

[-Ab-]

its a bug i guess
you just have to stay alert to what you have to trade and what you dont

[Fried-Psitalon]

It's not a bug. There's a multitude of situations where you might want to trade away your only copy of a resource. Just pay attention to the number beside the resource - that's why it's there.

[Adagio]

Originally posted by Bhruic
I'd be rather annoyed if I couldn't trade my one "X" for stone, or marble, or horses, or whatever else I'm lacking. And a lot of times, I'll trade my one "X" knowing that I've got another plot with it that I'm going to be developing soon.

Of course it should still be possible, but the AI should not ask for it, unless there's a clear warning label on it

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Hmmm, possibly, now that you mention it. I'm not sure what exactly you get from trading non-strategic resources. Still, it does improve relations!

Each different food source a city gets increases the health of the city by 1 (some buildings increase this to 2 for certain things, like the grocer for cows). So if you are getting the green unhappy face (unhealthy), then you can up the number of food types your civ has to fix it. Unhealthiness causes food to be wasted (1 food per point you lack in health).

Similarly, happiness producing resources only work in terms of the variety you have. If you have 6 silver, that just makes 1 person happy in each city (it does affect all cities though, unlike Civ III). If you have 1 silver, 1 spice, 1 fur, 1 dye, 1 wine, and 1 gold then you have 6 more points of happiness in each city.

It's all about variety.

-Drachasor

[Krill]

I would be more than willing to trade my one pig resource for anothers one of a mutitude of cows, for example. I would prefer to offer it for a wheat/corn/rice resource though, as I can improve the health of my cities that have granaries, even though I traded away one of my bonus health resources. I can also trade away the only pig for the improved AI relations, as it won't hurt cities at all, and I gain from it.

It is actually a no-brainer in those sort of situations.

[Handel]

Originally posted by Stuie
If you click "Care to negotiate?" and then remove your resource from the deal, you can see how many you have. Then you can add yours back in and complete the trade. Just don't remove the AI's resource from the trade table.

Ah, yes! This is workaround!
But nevertheless we shouldn't need workarounds