Wall Street vs Oxford Uni

[Hayden]

Im at the stage in my current game where both these National Wonders are available but am wondering which one to put in my capital (which is by far my wealthiest city). The way I see it, if I put the Wall Street in my capital, this doubles my money output, but by setting science to say 90%, then this will effectively double my Science output aswell. Where as by putting Oxford University in there, I will only get the benefit if I have a high science rate. Is my thinking correct? Will Wall Street indeed give my science as much of a boost as Oxford?

[DeepO]

Wall street gives no boost to science at all, only the commerce-to-gold process is helped.

While both wonders do well in high commerce cities, Walls treet does best in a (multiple) holy city. The gold the shrine(s) is generating also gets the wall street bonus. This is also true for gold generators like the spiral minaret.

Oxford belongs in a GP center, as the bonus also applies to the beakers gotten from specialists.

DeepO

[DaveMcW]

Does the library bonus apply to specialists?

[Aeson]

Output from Specialists (and Super Specialists) is affected by modifiers.

[Aileron]

I usually always go for gold increasing wonders/improvements over beaker increasing ones, because I figure the gold ones will effectively increase gold AND beakers. But I suck at this game, so take any strategy advice from me with a grain of salt.

[-Ab-]

I have been putting heroic epic and iron works in my capital
if you use bureaucracy (sp?) you get +50% hammers and +50% coin in your capital
add that to the heroic bonus and the ironworks bonus you can really crank out the units

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Aileron
I usually always go for gold increasing wonders/improvements over beaker increasing ones, because I figure the gold ones will effectively increase gold AND beakers. But I suck at this game, so take any strategy advice from me with a grain of salt.

Aileron, go to your best city, enter it, and hover over the slider output. You will see gold-wonders not helping your science output in any way... if you are typically at 70-100% tech slider, you are far better off with other wonders. Likewise, a market when you're at 100% tech won't give you even a single gold more in most cities.

Gold wonders/buildings become more important when somehow you're making gold, not commerce. So, specialists, shrines, and religous buildings after Spiral minaret help.


DeepO

[Aileron]

Originally posted by DeepO

Aileron, go to your best city, enter it, and hover over the slider output. You will see gold-wonders not helping your science output in any way... if you are typically at 70-100% tech slider, you are far better off with other wonders. Likewise, a market when you're at 100% tech won't give you even a single gold more in most cities.

Huh? I know they don't add science to the city they're in, but they make that city generate more gold. And a portion of that "more gold" becomes science through the tech slider. Or if you suddenly need gold, you can drop the tech slider and have gold from the wonders instead. So the gold wonders are giving you more gold and more science, depending on your need. Am I missing something here?

A city that always has a ton of scientist specialists in it benefits more from science wonders/buildings than gold wonders/buildings. But that city should always be used for science then. No?

[V3nom]

no.. gold is just that, raw coins. what the tech slider does is take COMMERCE (which is different from gold) and convert it into either science or gold.

This is slightly confusing now because both commerce and gold use the 'gold coin' symbol, but they are two different things.

Commerce = gold + science. gold = commerce - science.\

therefore the higher your % on the tech slider the less benifit you get from gold producing structures.

[Aileron]

Originally posted by V3nom
no.. gold is just that, raw coins. what the tech slider does is take COMMERCE (which is different from gold) and convert it into either science or gold.

Whoa, ok. Sorry I totally missed that.

[V3nom]

its easy to miss, glad to help

when you look on your city radius and see those coins on worked tiles.. they arent actually gold, they're commerce... confusing isnt it?

[Hayden]

Cheers guys, I tried it out and indeed you guys are on the mark. If you go into a city and mouse over the science output and the money output for that city you see that the Science output takes your base commerce and then adds your science multipliers to that. The Wall Street does the same thing to calculate your gold.

So now the next question is, when I add specialists such as a Merchant, or if I build a wonder that gives +money. Is that giving me more commerce or more gold? Naturally commerce is better then gold because its more flexible and can be converted to beakers or to gold. Are there any improvements that increase commerce all do they all increase gold output only.

[Artuero]

This is somewhat obvious but the increased gold can allow you to increase your percentage of commerce devoted to science (or culture). So if you are not at 100%, the extra gold can indirectly increase your research (or culture).