Grammar

[LordShiva]

"Your Swordsman has destroyed a Archer."

"Bangalore has built a Walls."

This couldn't have been hard to fix.

[Adm.Naismith]

Re: Grammar

Originally posted by LordShiva
"Your Swordsman has destroyed a Archer."

"Bangalore has built a Walls."

This couldn't have been hard to fix.

I've repaired small problems like this editing myself the XML files (they are text file - you can use notepad/wordpad to manage them).
I'm away from my PC for some hours, but you can check by yourself if the quoted part is in one of the XML by searching the directory for relevant text.
A problem could be that they use text substitution (part of the text is indeed a field the game changes with its value before display the line), so they must keep things general (sometime you need an "a", sometime an "an") before a substitution field.

You can check my thread to see with some example how I corrected mistakes in italian version. Hope it help.

[Fried-Psitalon]

Re: Grammar

Originally posted by LordShiva
"Your Swordsman has destroyed a Archer."

"Bangalore has built a Walls."

This couldn't have been hard to fix.

No, it would've been very easy to fix. That said, would you rather they opened a bug track on it, spent the time to hunt down what file that was in, open it, track through the code to find that line, fix it, save it, redistribute it whereever it was needed, and mark the bug off and update the fix list....

Or fixed something of slightly larger importance, like a CTD bug, an AI abuse, or an out-of-synch MP error?



There's only so much time before release, and there ARE priorities.

[Prof. Vorthys]

This is quite difficult to fix in a general way; the program uses text substitution for the word "archer", so it has to have a built in routine for the English language version which parses the word, checks if it has a vowel or not as the first letter and if it is, then substitutes "n " in to make an "an".
While I like good English grammar whenever possible, this is a pretty minor bug.

Wonder if other language support has similar issues?

Prof V.

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Grammar

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon


No, it would've been very easy to fix. That said, would you rather they opened a bug track on it, spent the time to hunt down what file that was in, open it, track through the code to find that line, fix it, save it, redistribute it whereever it was needed, and mark the bug off and update the fix list....

Or fixed something of slightly larger importance, like a CTD bug, an AI abuse, or an out-of-synch MP error?



There's only so much time before release, and there ARE priorities.

so, you are saying that:
1) they already knew about ctd, ai abuse and the like when the game got gold?, or
2) they completed the first patch and fixed all of the above mentioned, but kept yoda grammar?

[LordShiva]

I wrote a C program in intro CS where you check the first character of the word variable ("Archer," "Swordsman" etc.) and adjust the "a"/"an" accordingly.

It was very easy (like the second week's homework or something like that).

[Illuminatus]

Things like that will get fixed in the first patch. Not a big issue.

[Fried-Psitalon]

Re: Re: Re: Grammar

Originally posted by LaRusso


so, you are saying that:
1) they already knew about ctd, ai abuse and the like when the game got gold?, or
2) they completed the first patch and fixed all of the above mentioned, but kept yoda grammar?

3) None of the above, as I was giving a hypothetical example. Put words in someone else's mouth, please.

[Fidel]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Grammar

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
3) None of the above, as I was giving a hypothetical example. Put words in someone else's mouth, please.

either you need to relax a bit or i need to blow up that smiley on the end of my post

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by LordShiva
I wrote a C program in intro CS where you check the first character of the word variable ("Archer," "Swordsman" etc.) and adjust the "a"/"an" accordingly.

It was very easy (like the second week's homework or something like that).

It's a very simple, but not a perfect method, since the article does not depend on the first letter but the first sound of the word.

[rjwoer]

Yeah I noticed that too but haven't pursued a fix yet. I DID edit the entire Civ diplomacy text because there were typos, syntax errors, and grammatical gasps that were (in my opinion) inexcusable. But I read bad grammar all the time: on billboards, on TV, even in magazines and newspapers. We are not, unfortunately, a literary culture.

Nevertheless I expected more from a game whose target audience is, in general, educated and intelligent.

(You can download my diplomacy text fix via the thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=142029)

[Byelotsar]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
It's a very simple, but not a perfect method, since the article does not depend on the first letter but the first sound of the word.

Too awesome. A Finn pointing out a flaw in a program written by an Indian to parse English grammar. I love Civ players.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Byelotsar
Too awesome. A Finn pointing out a flaw in a program written by an Indian to parse English grammar. I love Civ players.

Heartily agreed.

[Prof. Vorthys]

Kassiopeia

You are entirely correct. I had forgotten "an historian".



However, most other native English speakers would do the same!


Prof. Vorthys

[LordShiva]

"Your Modern Armour has been destroyed by a Historian."

Give me spearman-defeats-tank any day