Should there be a downside to multiple religions in 1 city?

[ChaotikVisions]

Yes, it really doesn't make sense. The easiest thing to implement I think would be to make it so you can't build non-state religion temples in your cities until you switch to the Free Religion civic. It would also need to be setup so that switching from the civic resulted in the reverse effect for the non-state religion temples.

I don't think it would be hard to teach the AI to raze foreign temples and favor Free Religion if they have lots of religions in their cities, plus it would make a bit more sense. This doesn't help how easy it is to spread of course, but perhaps having Temples/Monasteries/Cathedrals of your religions increases its "defense" against conversion? Would make sense for more established religions to do that.

Edit-By reverse effect, I mean they would all cause 1 unhappiness or such to represent the religions now being oppressed/ignored/etc...

[seebs]

FWIW, once you've got two religions, it's pretty easy to get a third. The hop from one to two is hard, though.

(I mean in actual civs, not in the game.)

FWIW, the only listed religion I don't know to be represented in my home city is Confucianism. Never been a problem for us.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by DrrD


Not true. Religion can spread through trade routes even into cities with other religions. I've often seen one of my city gains a second, third, or fourth religion without a missionary.

Hmm, if you have a save with that happening, I'd like to see it. I will also keep a more careful eye out in the game(s) I am playing.

[Jon Miller]

I have also NYE

JM

[notyoueither]

I would love to see a save.

[sophist]

Originally posted by DrrD

I'm all for large, pluralistic societies in the LATE game, but it seems silly during the middle ages in what is a Christian country to have 2 or 3 or more religions in about every city. That should be reserved for the freedom of religion civic in the late game.

Yes, it seems silly for a Christian country to be that pluralistic. Muslim countries, on the other hand... the Islamic empires of the Middle Ages were generally very tolerant of Jews, Christians, and even Zoroastrians. It was a very long time after conquest before the Muslim population was the majority.

[lethe]

It's weird that being PC forces us to ignore history as it actually was. Europe was not a tolerant place for those not of the state religion until the 18th century, even later in some places. And it took until the 20th century secularization until it actually got really tolerant.

Heck, it could be argued (and has been argued by their own leaders) that atleast one modern day superpower is indulging in a bit of crusading.

[dearmad]

This issue DOES need to be addressed somehow. I hope FIRAXIS is listening...

[spy14]

Originally posted by lethe
It's weird that being PC forces us to ignore history as it actually was. Europe was not a tolerant place for those not of the state religion until the 18th century, even later in some places. And it took until the 20th century secularization until it actually got really tolerant.

Heck, it could be argued (and has been argued by their own leaders) that atleast one modern day superpower is indulging in a bit of crusading.

If it is, its an extremely toned down version of crusading. The ultimate results of its activities will I suspect take decades to become clear...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by sophist

Yes, it seems silly for a Christian country to be that pluralistic. Muslim countries, on the other hand... the Islamic empires of the Middle Ages were generally very tolerant of Jews, Christians, and even Zoroastrians. It was a very long time after conquest before the Muslim population was the majority.

And a Christian civ that adopts Theocracy is not going to have to worry about/benefit from other religions spreading.

I don't see what the problem is.

[My PitBull Tank]

you should be able to only found one religion until a late era tech is researched.

my 2 cents.

[kimmygibler]

Originally posted by My PitBull Tank
you should be able to only found one religion until a late era tech is researched.

my 2 cents.

There are no religions left to found by the late eras.

[Grumbold]

I think it works pretty fine as it is. We have 7 religions as a simplistic way to represent every difference of religious opinion possible. Northern Europe may not have had huge numbers of non-christians in the mediaeval ages, but it had Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism and plenty of change even among those faiths like the Reformation, Counter-Reformation, Inquisition etc. Europe was not a blissful haven of religious tolerance at all, and having cities containing a good mix of different faiths (even if they have the wrong names) is far more true than single faith nations.

Making the unhappiness hit for going to war too severe would cripple any strategic choices over friends and foes. Its already an impact on diplomacy and on city happiness. I would be very careful before making it worse. You don't want one facet of the game to overshadow the rest.

[Gelondil]

Originally posted by notyoueither

Hmm, if you have a save with that happening, I'd like to see it. I will also keep a more careful eye out in the game(s) I am playing.

I have a save that is a few years before a religion expands into my capital, at a time when I had 3 religions in every city. PM me your e-mail and I can send it - and you can see it happening in real-time.


As for the thread debate, I like the idea of non-state religious buildings giving no bonuses to certain religion civics. (Nothing works in Theocracy, only monasteries work in Organized religion). Also, I think religion should spread a LOT easier once it has entered a civ. I shouldn't need to build 10 missionaries to spread a religion from my capital to 5 other cities, especially under Free Religion.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by kimmygibler


There are no religions left to found by the late eras.

Scientology, Mormonism, New Age, Wiccan (though it could be argued that's fairly old, modern trendy sheeple worshipers notwithstanding), or even just breaking the main religions into their various sects: Protestants and Catholics, Sunni and Shia, Zen and Mahayana or Theravada, and so on.