Louis Industrious and Creative?!?

[Martinus]

In the previews we have seen before Louis XIV was Organized and Creative, however I have just played Civ 4 and found him to be Industrious and Creative instead.

Wow, that's a really powerful combo for a culture builder.

[The diplomat]

And the German leader is philosophical and creative. Now that is awesome!

[Martinus]

Originally posted by The diplomat
And the German leader is philosophical and creative. Now that is awesome!

I know, I am playing him.

Still, I think Creative and Industrious is even better (especially as France gets a Musketeer which is much more useful, imo, than the German Panzer).

[Fried-Psitalon]

That all depends if the German beelines for Combustion, and has a tech lead on the rest of the field..

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Martinus

I know, I am playing him.

Still, I think Creative and Industrious is even better (especially as France gets a Musketeer which is much more useful, imo, than the German Panzer).

I won my first civ4 game with Germany. I never got to use the Panzer, but you should have seen my culture and GP's I was making. wow!

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
That all depends if the German beelines for Combustion, and has a tech lead on the rest of the field..

Just got there in my second game - Panzers are rolling off the assembly lines! And Caesar was kind enough to back-stab me just as I started building my Panzers...

[ThaddeusAlexander]

I've found Catherine more efficient for a Cultural strat so far. Followed by Louis and then Frederick.

The added gold really helps propel you through the tech tree, getting you to the Wonders sooner anyway, and later on you can rush your improvement buildings quicker allowing you to have functioning/upgraded cities to start your wonders in. Philosophical is, IMO weaker than Industrious for Cultural strat, since beating Frederick players to wonder completion means more +GP points anyway (plus the other wonder bonuses).

As far as UUs go, I've found Cossack>Panzer>Musketeer. Of course, smart players will only start a war when they have a distinct war tech advantage anyway.

If you really want great people, go with the Industrious/Philosophical civ ... fast wonders with double GP points.... drool. Of course, no such civ exists ........... yet ........................

[Jaybe]

In the Earth-18 civs (by Rhye) game I am playing, Louis just took Berlin off of Freds hands. Both are AI, Noble difficulty, no aggression hike.

Paris is largest (20 pop), and it has 5 wonders. Most of my gold surpluses have come from Louis beating me to a wonder.

[ThaddeusAlexander]

LOL

I'll admit, fighting Louis with Catherine is hard early on, but later in the game - Cossacks own the French army which will probably still be made up of musketeers which -although fast- can't cut it. Time to get those wonders the 'other' way

I also wanted to comment that I think Louis being Industrious instead of Organized makes much more sense - the infastructure he pioneered is immense. That and when we think Louis XIV, we think Versailles, and no two traits better describe that legacy than creative and industrious.

[Fried-Psitalon]

Louis is a bit stronger in the hands of a human player, where you can promote those Musketeers with Woodsman 2 and really run riot pillaging in enemy empires.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by ThaddeusAlexander
I've found Catherine more efficient for a Cultural strat so far. Followed by Louis and then Frederick.

I've found Catherine more efficient for a "Be the hottest leader in the game" strat so far. Followed by Isabella and then Elizabeth.

[spy14]

Originally posted by LordShiva


I've found Catherine more efficient for a "Be the hottest leader in the game" strat so far. Followed by Isabella and then Elizabeth.

I find that you should get out more

Although i'm curious to see the whole slapping thing...

[ThaddeusAlexander]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
Louis is a bit stronger in the hands of a human player, where you can promote those Musketeers with Woodsman 2 and really run riot pillaging in enemy empires.

TT first game with Louis, I couldn't bring myself to 'upgrade' them to rifles for just that reason (most had Guerilla II though, an obvious product of the landscape).

EDIT: LordShiva: