Not many women...

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Malleus Dei
Okay, I'm going to say it: this entire thread is pointless, PC, and unnecessary. If any of you want more ahistorical female leaders, then, fine: make a mod that does that. But trying to oppress other people for the sake of your own Political Correctness is just wrong.

Can we have this thread closed now?

You can stop posting in it, if you don't like it.

I don't see anything in this thread that would warrant its closing.

[Martinus]

Re: Re: Not many women...

Originally posted by Shaka II


Civ is not Civ without Joan of Arc. So she wasn't Queen, but she led armies, which may be seen as more important to some players here.

Hopefully there is Cleopatra still. Also Indira Ghandi, Queen Elizabeth. There should be more gender choices.

Joan of Arc was a half-crazed-peasant-girl-turned-mascott. You could just as well have Marylin Monroe lead the Americans.

[Martinus]

And as for attracting female gaming audience, if anything they should change Alexander to look more like a 28 y.o. Collin Farrell.

[Ka Plewy]

Re: Re: Re: Not many women...

Originally posted by Martinus

Joan of Arc was a half-crazed-peasant-girl-turned-mascott. You could just as well have Marylin Monroe lead the Americans.

Some Like It Hot

[quinalla]

Bah, I would rather have it be historically accurate than try to be PC and I am a woman. Yes, they do have to pick and choose, but it would be silly to pick a woman who was just a well known historical figure who was not actually a leader of a civilization.

[Ka Plewy]

I'm conservative, and I don't see it as being PC. It is recognizing the capability of either sex.

As to historical accuracy, that goes out the window when you play any Civ game.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Well, as someone who's 6'4", I must say I'm disappointed that there aren't any leaders who I really identify with on that level. I demand that Firaxis mod in one person of that height for every single civ. It's not about political correctness, I just don't have fun playing as a shorty like Napoleon!!!

Supposedly, Frederick II of Prussia was into tall dragoons. So you can play Germany and imagine yourself to be his latest catch. :P

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Ka Plewy
I'm conservative, and I don't see it as being PC. It is recognizing the capability of either sex.

As to historical accuracy, that goes out the window when you play any Civ game.

I'm a liberal but prefer leaders to be historical, rather than unhistorical.

[Martinus]

Also, I'd like to clarify that my reasoning for wanting more women is not to be "PC", it's to because, as a woman I want to play a woman.

You don't play as the ruler, you play as a civ with a given trait combinations (you have an option to choose your name when you start the game).

Personally, I find Victoria (Expansive/Financial), Elisabeth (Philosophical/Financial) and Catherine (Creative/Financial) to be all very powerful combos, and them being women doesn't prevent me from playing as them and enjoying the civ.

By the same token anyone could be arguing that there is not enough gay rulers or black rulers in game, and someone who is gay or black wants to play them.

This is a strategy game, not a roleplaying game, for god's sake - what is your ruler's gender is visible only on the diplomatic advisor screen.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Shaka II


And religion has more influence in Civ 4. Joan could have wielded some serious clout with her armies fighting in the name of God and all. She doesn't require the church improvement or priests, but receives direct communication from God. Also, there were some of us that had sort of a crush on Joan, before she had the bald head anyway.

But seriously, I think its a great opportunity for mods to offer some alternatives, but having four historical women leaders seems OK. I can't defend the point of having nonhistorical women leaders. Its a game play issue, primarily for women gamers who would like to see these choices.

Joan of Arc is actually in, as a great prophet. The way it should be.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Malleus Dei
Once again, can we get this thread closed? Or, alternatively, would someone please keep posting a graphic here of someone beating a dead horse?

Per your request.

[conmcb25]

Its a national sport at Apoly

[Malleus Dei]

Thank you, Shogun Gunner.

So...are you guys interested in discussing something useful and with an actual point, or shall we all beat this dead horse EVEN MORE?

[Ka Plewy]

Originally posted by Malleus Dei
Thank you, Shogun Gunner.

So...are you guys interested in discussing something useful and with an actual point, or shall we all beat this dead horse EVEN MORE?

Sure, since you seem unable to let sleeping dogs lie.

I would venture a guess that this discussion would drop if you stopped posting in it, but maybe you're enjoying youself too much?

[Ulmo]

Originally posted by Malleus Dei
It's always been amazing to me how the Left manages to try and insert their agenda into EVERYTHING.

Well I happen to be a more liberally minded person but its not my politics that make me reply to this. Its the stupidity to which this issue is addressed.

You want to intellectually address this concern? Here is the answer you should provide.


I understand your desire to have more female leaders, but the work involved in doing so would take money from the product to be able to put in game play changes that is the real reason we all buy new versions of the game. Really when it comes down to it, it doesnt matter who the leader is. After all, you can rename the leader to anything you want.

So while you might want more women leaders, I am happy they made the choices they made and was able to put in this or that new feature to the game.

Having female leaders included in the game is not a party platform of any of the Liberally minded political parties. It is however a platform of many male gamers that would like the pool of female gamers to be fed more. You see, women, as I have said before, are more fun than games. That said, I like that my wife is a gamer so she is sympathetic to my need to play to 5am and she can talk to me about the game because she plays to.

If adding in women leaders into the game makes it so that more women play the game because they can identify with the leaders more? Lets just say that in my ledger of life, thats a mark in the black.

However, if you want to assign everything you dont like in life to the liberal agenda conspiracy, by all means do so just dont come to me asking for intelligent conversation. I'll be happy to ablige but I wont be talking to you.