Amphibious Assaults

[Stuie]

Well these are different. Apparently ANY unit can launch an amphibious attack, but there's a combat penalty for doing so unless the unit has the Amphibious promotion. And here I was thinking that the promotion ALLOWED amphibious assaults... oops.

So I thought my Legionnaires were blocking a naval landing that Saladin was attempting... and instead he attack me - twice - and lost fortunately.

[larsenex]

Wow...

I have yet to get the game and am pinning it on my Xmas list! My wife already has a heads up. I have been playing CTP2 for th LONGEST time and am eager to play this. One of the things that I am eager to see, is the computer actually making an assault via the sea. So please explain the difference between an amphibious assault and just landing troops nearby to march forward from there? Did the 'puter acutally try to land troops IN a seaside town while you had an army in it? This game sounds cooler and cooler the more I read!!

Cant wait.

[sabrewolf]

that's great news!

there is no real-life reason why units should not be able to attack amphibiously. even if most will be crap at it (soaked clothes, armour full of water, wet gunpowder, etc )

no more island-blocking with ancient units

[Solver]

Yep, the penalty is pretty heavy, I think it's -50%, so you're probably not going to win these unless you have a superior unit. The Amphibious promotion also has another advantage - it removes the penalty when attacking across a river.

[Stuie]

Re: Wow...

Originally posted by larsenex
So please explain the difference between an amphibious assault and just landing troops nearby to march forward from there?

My Legionnaires were on the land tiles next to the ocean (there was a city of mine one tile further in that the AI apparently was going to attack). So the AI units were on a galley, and attacked one of my Legionnaires on land directly from the galley. This was not possible in Civ3 which is why it took me off guard.

[garetjaxusmc]

For a while there I thought my beloved Marines were going to end up becoming completely obsolete once I read about the amphibious promotion....

But fortunately they saw fit to keep them in the game. *whew!*

Now the only question is whether or not Marines would actually be USEFUL in CIV.

[asleepathewheel]

yes, no more cheese landing block techniques.

[sabrewolf]

sorry for resurrecting this one. just wanted to say how much i love this feature!

last game i wanted to take out a city with lots of artillery defending it. i knew that my stack would have been seriously crippled, had i landed first. so i first stealth-bombarded all serious oposition down to 50% and then started with marine and modern armour amphibious assaults. although i did lose a few units in the process, it was surely better than landing first.

in the mean time, my gunships landed on the tile beside the city, attacked and withdrew. the great thing about this solution is that they don't loose attack values and all injured units can be removed from the cultural borders to recoved a bit faster... maybe even in a friendly city

[MoonWolf]

Haven't tried amphibious attackes except with marines yet, but sure do love that it's possible! It is a lot more correct to history and reallife warfare.

When I think of it, I beleive I must have forgotten that other units can attack from sea as well. Remember I saw a one-tile island city once and thought I needed marines to take it...

[sabrewolf]

yeah, that was annoying about civ3. in a MP game a guy was reduced to one 1-tile-island city and refused to surrender. needless to say, war weariness was killing me...
the other players profited of it.

now a few frigates and 3-4 suicide units and byebye it is
(although WW can still be nasty by the time you get your ships loaded)

[gdijedi7]

That is true. I think war weariness should be linked to actual fighting.

What is REALLY nasty is when you attack with amphib. modern armor. Very Highly Cool.

It also makes sense to have all units be able to attempt an amphib. assault. After all, not all the GI's at Normandy were Marines. Of course, they also got butchered pretty badly by Nazi machine gunners...

[garetjaxusmc]

Amphibious Modern Armor with some upgraded Marines will tear up any coastal city that you come across. I've not really felt that any other units really pack the offensive punch to really be able to utilize the Amphibious promotion... so at this point in my CIV games I've just done the Marines and Modern Armor approach.

[Enigma_Nova]

They should have got some Amphib Artillery for D-Day, save the LEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOY Zerg from all those brave sacrificial front line meatbags.
<3 those meatbags.

[SingleShot]

"After all, not all the GI's at Normandy were Marines"

Hmmm. I don't think any were. They were all GI's, Rangers, Paratroopers, and Commandos. I believe the marines only fought in the Pacific.

(U.S. Marines that is...)

[DarExc]

Originally posted by gdijedi7
It also makes sense to have all units be able to attempt an amphib. assault. After all, not all the GI's at Normandy were Marines. Of course, they also got butchered pretty badly by Nazi machine gunners...

Remember, Germans and Nazi's are different, calling German soldiers Nazi soldiers is like calling American soldiers Republican Soldiers. A lot of Germans despised the Nazis and lost their youth in a war thanks to them. My Opa is one of them.