Civics Screen: What combination = X Government

[FrostyBoy]

Yeah that sounds about right

What about a Democractic Republic? (I think Australia and NZ are Democractic Republic)

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Nope, sorry Snoopy, we are both Federal Democracies (technically Constitutional Monarchies, as our head of state is a Governor General, but the real power rests in the PM and the Parliament.)

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

[korn469]

Do the rest of you think that the five categories (government, legal, labor, economy, religion) are the five most important attributes in representing how a society works? Also do the choices for each category make the most sense for that category?

Government seem like a good choices, as does economy. Labor and legal both seem a little weak, and it seems logical to broaden religion into a values category.

Off the top of my head:

Government organization/Concepts:
Dictatorship->Rule by one
Oligarchy->Rule by few
Representative Democracy->Indirect rule by many
Direct Democracy->Direct rule by many

Unitary(Centralized)->Central government has all power
Federal(Decentralized)->Powers divided between central and provinicial governments

Individualism->the individual is more important
Collectivism->society is more important

more to come...

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Well Korn, if you check out my thread over at CFC called 'Broader Civics System', you will see that I have expanded on the options given in the current civics screen. Namely I have a bigger grid, where I have incorporated Ideology (militarist, fascist, socialist etc), organisation and Rights into the mix. You should check it out and let me know what you think ! Feedback is always a good thing.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

[kolpo]

It is interesting that some combinations who sound unconventional actually exists.

Iran : "theocracy,represenation, nationhood, free market, emancipation"

[Addled Platypus]

why not just make a randomizer for each one, and you wont know until several turns into the game


why not:
police state
free speech
tribalisim
decentralized
paganisim

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
Nope, sorry Snoopy, we are both Federal Democracies (technically Constitutional Monarchies, as our head of state is a Governor General, but the real power rests in the PM and the Parliament.)

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

Ah yes, Federal Democracies, I remember now, thanks.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
Well Korn, if you check out my thread over at CFC called 'Broader Civics System', you will see that I have expanded on the options given in the current civics screen. Namely I have a bigger grid, where I have incorporated Ideology (militarist, fascist, socialist etc), organisation and Rights into the mix. You should check it out and let me know what you think ! Feedback is always a good thing.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

I'm sure you can mod this in, it would be a great mod for sure.

You and a bunch of other people (coders) should pull together and form a really good civics screen. I can do the graphics.

[Urban Ranger]

The civics system looks a bit strange for sure.

[Martinus]

I think law and the labour system are one of the most important determinants of any society - everyone who studied political sciences will tell you that, Korn. Your other proposals are variations on existing civics, and do not help a lot in providing more choices to the player in other areas not already covered by government or economy.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Martinus
I think law and the labour system are one of the most important determinants of any society - everyone who studied political sciences will tell you that, Korn. Your other proposals are variations on existing civics, and do not help a lot in providing more choices to the player in other areas not already covered by government or economy.

What about distributive justice?

[Atahualpa]

Do the rest of you think that the five categories (government, legal, labor, economy, religion) are the five most important attributes in representing how a society works? Also do the choices for each category make the most sense for that category?

Of course not, I need additional categories:
1. Gay marriage with choices: full, civil union, in theory, no, not at all
2. Abortion: full, up to 8 months, up to 6 months, up to 3 months, only in my cases, not at all
3. Death Penalty: full kill, cripple, no but not really, no

[ml_4da3]

Originally posted by Sn00py
real world

Like the civilopedia in civ usually say; there has never been a state successfully implementing communism.

Communism is when you no longer have a government, religion or companies/capital to rule over humans. I guess you mean what most people think communist is; old soviet for example (themselves said they had socialism - the transition stage - not communism); Well then my take is this:


Soviet "communism" / popularbelief-communism:

* Police state
* bureacracy
* slavery (edited)
* state property
* free religion (no state religion).


If you mean what communists say they want to acheive, then: (similar to what we see in star trek tng/voyager)

* Universal Sufferage (real one this time, no longer your voting power is ever dictated by the amount of money you have)
* Free speech
* Emancipation
* Environmentalism (best option, there is no state, more like some kind of property of commons)
* Free religion


My take on a capitalist/american system:

* Police state
* Bureaucracy (lots of suits here and there, lots of bureaucracy due to economics (stock market, etc), no real free speech).
* Serfdom/Slavery - lots of people are forced to do **** jobs, or else they wont be able to survive (very barbaric imo)
* Free market
* Theocracy (I cannot believe all the religious crap in USA, even on the dollar bills it says "in god we trust" or something like that; GW bush is christian - and talks about it while in duty - and so on...).

[Stuie]

Originally posted by Dinkeldog
I would construct a Roman Republic as:

Representation+?+Slavery (maybe Caste)+Mercantilism+Organized Religion (maybe Theocracy)

I was thinking of the following for the Roman Republic:

Representation + Bureaucracy + Slavery + Mercantilism + Organized Religion

I think that captures the right flavor.

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Atahualpa


Of course not, I need additional categories:
1. Gay marriage with choices: full, civil union, in theory, no, not at all
2. Abortion: full, up to 8 months, up to 6 months, up to 3 months, only in my cases, not at all
3. Death Penalty: full kill, cripple, no but not really, no