Which Extra Leaderheads Do You Want to See?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Maniac
For Greece, I'd like an Alexander leaderhead.

I'm sure there's a joke about oral sex in there somewhere, but I wouldn't be the one to make it....

[James]

The Romans.

[Franklinnoble]

Here's who I'd like to see:

USA - Bring back Lincoln. I like the addition of Washington and Roosevelt. I'd add Reagan, but that's just me...

England - Still no Churchill!?! Unacceptable... I'd also like to see Henry V and Richard the Lionheart

Germany - Seriously, why not Hitler? We can't have a bad guy?

Russia - Same here... why not Stalin? And I wouldn't mind seeing Gorbachev, either.

[Boris Godunov]

U.S. - Lincoln, because he's my favorite president

England - Henry II, Churchill

France - Charlemagne

Germany - Otto the Great

Rome - Augustus, Constantine the Great

Russia - Lenin, Boris Godunov

Greece - I second a real Alexander head, Pericles

Egypt - Menes, Nefertiti, Akhenaten (Ramesses wasn't so great).

Perisa - Xerxes

China - Qin Shi Huang (Or is he in already? Not sure)

Japan - Minamoto no Yoshinaka

India - Chandragupta

Spain - Phillip II or Charles V

[LordShiva]

Charlemagne doesn't really count as French. Same with Otto and Germany, to a lesser extent. I'd prefer Richard the Lionhearted to Henry II. Akhenaten was too revolutionary to be a representative of Egyption pharaohood, one striking feature of which was stability over millenia (but then again, so is Hatshepsut). I wouldn't mind Narmer or Khufu.

I like Boris' list otherwise, esp. on Constantine. Add:

Arabs: Haroun al-Raschid
India: LordShiva

Chandragupta AND Ashoka is overkill, and I'm probably going to replace Gandhi (who wasn't a political leader) with Nehru. Akbar's another idea.


On a related note, what would replacing leaderheads entail?

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Chandragupta AND Ashoka is overkill, and I'm probably going to replace Gandhi (who wasn't a political leader) with Nehru. Akbar's another idea.

Why not simply replacing Gandhi with Ghandi?

[Gangerolf]

Nero - Rome, crazy fat guys make the best leaders

[Barnabas]

what is the final list of civs?

You know what would be cool? To have both Isabella and Ferdinand, in the same screen, the couple.

[Hozchelaga]

Having Ferdinand and Isabella on the same page: top idea!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Charlemagne doesn't really count as French.

Tell that to the French. Anyway, Hugh Capet would be a worthy alternative as the founder of the French kingdom.

Same with Otto and Germany, to a lesser extent.

Now that I don't get. He was certainly German, and ruled over an area that encompasses pretty much all of historical Germany. His positions as Duke of Saxony, King of the Germans and first true HR Emperor make him a powerful choice.

I'd prefer Richard the Lionhearted to Henry II.

Why? Richard spent 6 months total of his 10-year reign in England. The rest were spent wasting time on the Crusade and galavanting about the continent for little gain. He did nothing for England, and in fact left it in a state of turmoil due to his neglect of his duties. Henry II was one of England's greatest monarchs, however.

Akhenaten was too revolutionary to be a representative of Egyption pharaohood, one striking feature of which was stability over millenia (but then again, so is Hatshepsut). I wouldn't mind Narmer or Khufu.

I like Djoser as well. But to me Akhenaten's revolutionary reign is what makes him appealing--it's why he stands out. Certainly he's better, IMO, than Ramesses II, who was only "great" because he called himself so and whose reign was a bit of a disaster for Egypt.

[Legend]

I'd like to see Rob Muldoon, although I think the chances are fairly low.

[Wittlich]

Quite frankly, there should be one MALE and one FEMALE Leader head for each civilization in the game!

[Martinus]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Quite frankly, there should be one MALE and one FEMALE Leader head for each civilization in the game!

Quite frankly, that would make little sense and lead to a situation like Civ2 with some of the civs having totally weird female leaders, just for the sake of the quota.

Likewise, it would mean we couldn't get both Elisabeth and Victoria, arguably two greatest rulers of England/Britain.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by LordShiva
Charlemagne doesn't really count as French. Same with Otto and Germany, to a lesser extent.

Except of course to the French and Germans.

The mainstay of Charlemagne's empire was the area that would become modern day France; it was culturally mainly a Gallo-Roman state, and after the division of Charlemagne's empire the cultural and linguistic differences between the Franks in the modern day French area and those in the modern day German area solidified- specifically at the Treaty of Verdun, in 843, which separated the Carolingian Empire into Gallic and Teutonic divisions .

The Oath of Strasbourg/Strassburg in 842 had had to be given in two languages- in rustic Roman-French for Charles of West Francia's forces, and in German for the supporters of Louis the German.


It seems pretty pointless to restrict leaderheads of countries to those who were either born within the boundaries of the modern day countries, or to parents who were French, German, et cetera.

If that were the case, not many European monarchs would qualify to be leaders of their countries- you could scrap a clutch of English Hanoverians, James I, William of Orange, a handful of Angevin kings, and so on.

You'd also have to jettison the Ptolemies as being non-Egyptian, and a goodly amount of Ottoman emperors, and Catherine the Great too.

And Saladin would also get the chop- being non-Egyptian and non-Arab.

[LordShiva]

It's not that I'm restricting them to being born within the boundaries of the modern-day countries. But the Western half of the Frankish empire was proto-France at best, and the "France" of Civ 4 is meant to be the France we all know - the France of cities like Paris, not Aachen, of the Fleur-de-lis, not of Charlemagne's eagle.

My point is, when we have iconic French leaders like Napoleon and Louis XIV, we'd be doing France a disservice by dropping one for Charlemagne.

Oh, and nobody touches Catherine