Which Extra Leaderheads Do You Want to See?

[kofeiini]

Voted for "other"

There's lots of different leaders from the past and from the present day I would like to see in the game and compete against, but I think I'm not going to name them as I'm sure it would just cause some bad blood as most of them are kind of politically incorrect. (All I'm saying is that it would just be interesting to compete against those leaders who have been left out due the political correctness)

Well, I guess I could at least name Stalin, because he has appeared in the series before. He is just one of those leaders that instantly pops to my mind when there's talking about Soviet Union or Russia.

[Adagio]

I voted for Cleopatra

[ashbery]

Hitler.

[alva]

Originally posted by Verenti


And yet Ghenghis Kahn, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, First Emperor of Qin, who are all perfectly good warmongers and tyrants are completly above your notice. Interesting.

* snip *

In another 100 or years there may very well be a Stalin or even a Hitler as a leader in Civ, it's a time thing.

[Verenti]

Originally posted by alva


In another 100 or years there may very well be a Stalin or even a Hitler as a leader in Civ, it's a time thing.

Ah, but there already has been: Civ1 had Stalin and Civ2 had Lenin

[Addled Platypus]

Ramses II

what would be more killer is to mod all the gods they belived in

[Egbert]

Originally posted by Verenti


And yet Ghenghis Kahn, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, First Emperor of Qin, who are all perfectly good warmongers and tyrants are completly above your notice. Interesting.

But if were are allowed to suggest monarchs for removal, I think the crimes of the Spanish Inquisition are appaulling enough to make Isabella a canidate for removal.

You make a very good point. I concede.

Isabel is a very good example of how "good intentions pave the road to hell".

[Egbert]

Originally posted by molly bloom

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but does anyone seriously imagine that someone who intrigued and captivated Julius Caesar and Mark Antony was simply the ancient history equivalent of a Wonderbra model ?

Perhaps not. I vaguely recall reading in some magazine that archeologists found some bones which they thought were Cleopatra's. They thought they were the bones of a woman who must have been very ugly. If that was all true then she wouldn't have been much use as a wonderbra model.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by peterfharris


Perhaps not. I vaguely recall reading in some magazine that archeologists found some bones which they thought were Cleopatra's. They thought they were the bones of a woman who must have been very ugly. If that was all true then she wouldn't have been much use as a wonderbra model.

There are coins issued during her reign which show her in profile- not the equivalent of Theda Bara or Elizabeth Taylor, but that's my point.

Her personality and charisma were captivating, and she possessed a formidable intellect too.

She simply had the misfortune to be ruling Egypt at a time when there were internal pressures (divisions between Greeks, Hellenized Jews, Jews, native Egyptians) climate change, and of course the external pressure from Rome.

Octavian was after all able to defeat militarily and politically the other triumvirs as well as Cleopatra and his adopted father's assassins.


Of course since then her story has been mainly written by the winning side- Roman historians, not keen on women rulers, and enthusiastic about praising the Divine Augustus, and then the self-styled successors to Rome, Christian historians amongst them, always eager to portray a temptress in a bad light. In 'The Divine Comedy' Dante places her in the second circle in the of Inferno, getting a bad press again.

A portrait bust of her is here:

http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/alexandria/Gallery/cleo2.jpg

[GeoModder]

That 'portrait' looks very much romanized.

[conmcb25]

Sobieski_Poland

[GeoModder]

Tells me swat. (even with a google)

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by GeoModder
That 'portrait' looks very much romanized.

Hardly surprising though- since she was from an Hellenic dynasty in a country which was within the Roman sphere of influence.

The portraits on Romano-Egyptian coffins are incredibly striking and lifelike by the way- I don't know if you've seen any ?

[GeoModder]

It's been too long since I checked on late-Ptolemanic history. I remember seeing a picture of a hellenistic mummy coffin in a history book, but that's it.

[Maniac]

For Greece, I'd like an Alexander leaderhead.