Which Extra Leaderheads Do You Want to See?

[Godbear]

Which extra leaderheads for the existing civs would you like to see make it into the game at some point?

[Ninot]

none of those seem to me as neccesary to be included. I voted other.

[Verenti]

I voted for Nobunaga, Pericles, Augustus, Xerxes and other. For other I want to see Lenin! Crazy Firaxis disincluding Communists other than Mao.

But I was really hoping the Nobunaga would be in this game. Infact I've been hoping for Nobunaga to be a leader for a while now.

[Nikolai]

Augustus and Lenin/Stalin!

[Egbert]

Pericles would be a very good choice for Greece. I wouldn't mind seeing Leonidas (or some other Spartan) as the second Greek leader.

For Spain I would like Isabel and Philip II.

For Rome, Marcus Aurelius and Cato the Younger (I know Cato never lead Rome but Henry was never king of Portugal).

For England, Elizabeth I and Victoria.

For France, Charlemagne.

I do not want Lenin, Stalin, Mao or any other bloodcrazed monsters.

I don't want token woman leaders either. Get rid of Cleopatra (Hatshepsut would better choice if a woman must be had).

[Martinus]

Uhm, Peter...

Spain has Isabel.
England has Elisabeth and Victoria.
Egypt has Hatshepsut.

Are we talking about the same game?

[Martinus]

Anyway, I suppose we are limited to existing civs with one leader. In that case:

Arabs: Abu Bakr (more warlike aspect of Arabs)
Aztecs: No idea (don't know enough about them)
Greece: Pericles (Leonidas would be cool too, but Alexander is already aggressive)
Japan: Nobunaga maybe? (but not sure if he is different enough from Tokugawa)
Persia: Darius, Xerxes or maybe Seleucos (more aggressive)
Egypt: Rameses II
Inca: No idea (don't know enough about them)
Mali: Ditto
Rome: Constantine (religious, aggressive) or maybe even some Pope (like Julius II or Gregory the Great)
Spain: Felipe II

[Egbert]

Originally posted by Martinus
Uhm, Peter...

Spain has Isabel.
England has Elisabeth and Victoria.
Egypt has Hatshepsut.

Are we talking about the same game?

Uhm, Martinus...

We are talking about the same game. I don't want Issy and Lizzie removed. I didn't know for sure if Victoria was in.

I though Cleopatra was still in. If you mean she has been replaced with Hatshepsut then

[Harovan]

Not that I would want them in the game, but I predict the first three fan-created leaders to be Hitler, Stalin and Dubya. It's always been like this.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by peterfharris


I don't want token woman leaders either. Get rid of Cleopatra (Hatshepsut would better choice if a woman must be had).

I don't understand this dismissive attitude towards Cleopatra- yes, she was the last of the Ptolemaic dynasty to rule Egypt, but does anyone seriously imagine that someone who intrigued and captivated Julius Caesar and Mark Antony was simply the ancient history equivalent of a Wonderbra model ?

Ancient Egypt had two sole female leaders- Hatshepsut and Cleopatra.

Both had to succeed as women in male-dominated societies, in the face of male prejudice- and Cleopatra's reputation has mainly come down to us through Roman imperial propaganda and the works of those who were biased towards Rome and the idea of Rome- who have been mostly male, too.

This is a woman who spoke many languages fluently, including the native language of Egypt, which none of her Ptolemaic predecessors had thought necessary to learn; she had the political nous to identify herself with native Egyptian gods, and survived the muderous incestuous intrigues of the late Ptolemaic court, seeing off her relatives and rivals.

She had the misfortune to be ruling Egypt at the wrong time- and to be in the way of Rome and Octavian.

[Niptium]

Spain : Phillip 2 or Carlos 5 or Le Cid

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Niptium
Spain : Phillip 2 or Carlos 5 or Le Cid

Yeah, I 'd like to see Charles I and V too- especially given that there's that extremely good equestrian portrait of him by Titian, after his victory over the Protestants at Muhlberg:

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by molly bloom



I don't understand this dismissive attitude towards Cleopatra- yes, she was the last of the Ptolemaic dynasty to rule Egypt, but does anyone seriously imagine that someone who intrigued and captivated Julius Caesar and Mark Antony was simply the ancient history equivalent of a Wonderbra model ?

Ancient Egypt had two sole female leaders- Hatshepsut and Cleopatra.

Both had to succeed as women in male-dominated societies, in the face of male prejudice- and Cleopatra's reputation has mainly come down to us through Roman imperial propaganda and the works of those who were biased towards Rome and the idea of Rome- who have been mostly male, too.

This is a woman who spoke many languages fluently, including the native language of Egypt, which none of her Ptolemaic predecessors had thought necessary to learn; she had the political nous to identify herself with native Egyptian gods, and survived the muderous incestuous intrigues of the late Ptolemaic court, seeing off her relatives and rivals.

She had the misfortune to be ruling Egypt at the wrong time- and to be in the way of Rome and Octavian.

Well said!

I am a big fan of Queen Cleopartha.
A much-maligned but inspiring figure.

The bad things said about her do show that some Western
historians were a propaganding and male-supremist bunch...!

I agree with your assessment...
She was a capable administrator, politician, learned priestess and totally hot babe.

She should be in CIV4, perhaps in some future X-pack.

[LordShiva]

Rome: Constantine or Augustus
Arabs: Haroun al-Raschid

[Verenti]

Originally posted by peterfharris
I do not want Lenin, Stalin, Mao or any other bloodcrazed monsters.

And yet Ghenghis Kahn, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, First Emperor of Qin, who are all perfectly good warmongers and tyrants are completly above your notice. Interesting.

But if were are allowed to suggest monarchs for removal, I think the crimes of the Spanish Inquisition are appaulling enough to make Isabella a canidate for removal.