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  • #1

    A question of air superiority

    In my comings and goings I have not noticed any mention of the implementation of air units in CivIV.

    Any info I can be pointed towards?

    (Perhaps I'm only asking this cuz I finished my first standard game with a full-scale air war. It was mightily satisfying. And I even lost! Those damn Turks got the jet engine faster than I expected and wiped my glorious Zulu Air Force from the skies. ... But it's okay. It's good. Change a few build orders here, rush a few others there... the noble airmen of KwaZulu are not so easily deterred.)
    "The human race would have perished long ago if its preservation had depended only on the reasoning of its members." - Rousseau
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    In all the interviews I read (I think all of them featured here on poly and in the forum) the late game has not been touched yet - we don't have any screenshots or any other details. Big mystery... but I would like to know too, with the new HP system, promotions and all.

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    • #3
      there is a screenie with what looked like infantry

      maybe we be teased more later with another screenie

      lets hope for a tank or jet...or nuke
      anti steam and proud of it

      CDO ....its OCD in alpha order like it should be

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      • #4
        I'm pretty sure we'll have tanks, jets and nukes.
        But I may be wrong... I'm an optimistic person.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Platypus Rex
          lets hope for a tank or jet...or nuke
          With the new 3D graphics, I am hoping the nuclear mushroom is really cool!
          'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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          • #6
            I think airpower needs to be somewhere in between civ3 and SMAC. In civ3, airpower was too weak. In SMAC it was too strong.
            'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
            G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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            • #7
              I saw the best air powers in Starcraft, Rise of Nations, and SupremeRuler 2010.

              I didn`'t see tons of those in my life, but it's nice to have some good examples. The question is how can this be brought into a TBS? Planes are fast, and turns break time in sequence when it is too fast to be presented in such a way, since in such a time scale it would be blurred to "moving area" rather than a precise unit.

              I think that a solution could be to have a unit with its area (in the sense that it affects this area, is fast enough to be somewhere there). It's between Civ2 and Civ3.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by The diplomat
                I think airpower needs to be somewhere in between civ3 and SMAC. In civ3, airpower was too weak. In SMAC it was too strong.
                In Conquests air power became too strong.

                I bet they keep the Civ3 air model.

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                • #9
                  I hope they keep the civ3 model (with some tweaks of course). If they go back to a SMAC/Civ2 model I wouldn't like that at all. I hated that in those games air units couldn't fly over land units, and that air units could also act as roadblocks to units that didn't have SAM capabilities.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                    In Conquests air power became too strong.

                    I bet they keep the Civ3 air model.
                    Do you mean because air units got lethal bombard?

                    If so, that is essential. Air units should have lethal bombard. No question.

                    If you disagree, another way should be found to balance. To have air units that can't kill through bombing is dumb.

                    CarnalCanaan:

                    They got the jet engine? What exactly are you referring to?
                    While there might be a physics engine that applies to the jugs, I doubt that an entire engine was written specifically for the funbags. - Cyclotron - debating the pressing issue of boobies in games.

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                    • #11
                      CarnalCanaan:

                      By the way, everytime I see a post by you, I think of Louis Jordan's villain in the James Bond movie Octopussy....Kamal Khan, or however you spell it.

                      ha!
                      While there might be a physics engine that applies to the jugs, I doubt that an entire engine was written specifically for the funbags. - Cyclotron - debating the pressing issue of boobies in games.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by vee4473
                        Do you mean because air units got lethal bombard?
                        Yes.

                        If so, that is essential. Air units should have lethal bombard. No question.


                        Except for the slight question of game balance

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vee4473


                          Do you mean because air units got lethal bombard?

                          If so, that is essential. Air units should have lethal bombard. No question.
                          AND Never miss, at least a flesh wound (1hp)
                          anti steam and proud of it

                          CDO ....its OCD in alpha order like it should be

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kuciwalker


                            Yes.

                            If so, that is essential. Air units should have lethal bombard. No question.


                            Except for the slight question of game balance
                            Game balance is a concern with lethal air, but rather than castrate the realistic lethality of a bobmer, another way should be found for balance I think.

                            For instance, i think units hiding in mountainous tiles should have gotten more of a defense boost than they did.

                            Not to mention that (and maybe it's just my bad luck), but anti-air units in civ3 suck.

                            They RARELY work, so increasing their effectiveness would have to happen before stacking them with an attacking force becomes a defense option.


                            Could just be my bad luck though..
                            While there might be a physics engine that applies to the jugs, I doubt that an entire engine was written specifically for the funbags. - Cyclotron - debating the pressing issue of boobies in games.

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                            • #15
                              Lethal bombard isn't the problem in C3C, it's the never-missing part. They broke bombard with that.
                              Tutto nel mondo è burla

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