Russian Leader

[Nikolai]

Lenin was just as evil as Stalin mind you, so if we are to axe Stalin, we´d have to axe Lenin to...

[Aro]

Nope, this isn't true.

[Nikolai]

Oh yes it is. He was responsible for lots of suffering and killings, and never historical research has reveiled that he was no better than Stalin. But he thankfully died before he could do too mujch damage himself, that was Stalin´s faith to do...

[binTravkin]

Nope, this isn't true.

Sure it is.

Now you see how glorification affects you.
Also how the "popularity rise over time" effect works.

It's all the same for many past leaders, somehow people just tend to forget.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Oh yes it is. He was responsible for lots of suffering and killings, and never historical research has reveiled that he was no better than Stalin. But he thankfully died before he could do too mujch damage himself, that was Stalin´s faith to do...

You mean the revisionist propaganda put forth by old apparatchiks such as Dmitry Volkogonov and commie haters like Richard Pipes?

Lenin was by no means innocent, but he was no mass murdering son of a ***** like Stalin and his ilk.

[Tattila the Hun]

Gorbatshev

Or Catherine the Great:

[Boris Godunov]

[Aro]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg


You mean the revisionist propaganda put forth by old apparatchiks such as Dmitry Volkogonov and commie haters like Richard Pipes?

Lenin was by no means innocent, but he was no mass murdering son of a ***** like Stalin and his ilk.

Lenin, IMHO, is just like other politicians and leader. A regular SOB.
But Stalin, Hitker, Pol Pot and some others are different...

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg


You mean the revisionist propaganda put forth by old apparatchiks such as Dmitry Volkogonov and commie haters like Richard Pipes?

Lenin was by no means innocent, but he was no mass murdering son of a ***** like Stalin and his ilk.

I mean like what my teacher on my old school gave us teaching of from a few sources. Lenin was an *******, no better than any other bolschevik leader.

[Boris Godunov]

Yeah, let's compare what the Russian people felt about Lenin while living under him as opposed to Stalin. I'm sure there will be no difference. [/HEAVY SARCASM]

[Impaler[WrG]]

I whent with Stalin and Peter, that gives a good contrast between an Agressive/Momentum AI and a Passive/Builder AI (I would expect a similar split beteween all the 2 ruler Civs). It apears my vote edged Stalin into the lead as well

Catherine and Lenin are definatly our 2 runners up and I think it would be wonderfull if they were included as well **wink wink Moder**

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Nikolai


I mean like what my teacher on my old school gave us teaching of from a few sources. Lenin was an *******, no better than any other bolschevik leader.

After the fall of the Berlin Wall textbooks on the subject became increasingly hostile to Lenin and the early stages of the Soviet Republic. Equating Lenin with Stalin and others would ensure that the progress made between 1917-1924 was smeared with the atrocities of the Stalin era. Thus removing support for any kind of democratic socialism as well.

Or did you think that textbooks are unbiased and objective?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Darling, I'm sure Victoria's Secret must be paying huge amounts in sponsorship for you to wear that kind of nightie....


Have you considered something shorter, in ermine ?

[Vince278]

Lenin was more like Trotsky, not more like Stalin.

[Paddy]

Peter the Great