Briges/Canals

[Illuminatiscott]

This is a major discussion over on CivFanatics. Not so much whether or not to include them, but how. Possibly the Apolyton crowd could have a fresh idea on it such as: (your comment)

[Zoid]

Bah, CFC. I fart in their general direction

[KyuuA4]

Ah... Canals. Just place a city on an isthmus one tile wide. Serves as a pretty convenient short cut for ships.

However, if an isthmus is two tiles wide... forget it. So... a canal would be nice, wouldn't it?

This is a major discussion over on CivFanatics. Not so much whether or not to include them, but how. Possibly the Apolyton crowd could have a fresh idea on it such as: (your comment)

Ability to make "engineers" take a land square and give it the ability for ships to go on it - to simulate the capability of a canal. In short, ability to Build a Canal.

[MattPilot]

how about being able to plant one city right next to the other? This way they can move between cities

The other option would be to have a tile improvement that can only connect to either a city, sea, or another canal piece. But it can only connect to 2 squares (meaning no 3 or 4 way canal connections).

Effects would bee that ships could pass through, but each land unit passing over it automatically loses all his movement points, regardless of roads/railroads.
Also no other improvements can be built on that tile.

[Illuminatiscott]

Originally posted by MattPilot
how about being able to plant one city right next to the other? This way they can move between cities

There is a major problem with that:
Canals, if allowed, would likely only be available in the industrial and modern ages (i know there are no ages, it's just for reference). With a city chain, one could effectively build a canal in any age.

[Addled Platypus]

ask Grandpa Troll about the other old canal thread

this has been beaten on before, I will be back with the link


and here it is, but called straights and canals

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108086

[Shogun Gunner]

city chaining (for naval access) is an exploit in my book

[KyuuA4]

how about being able to plant one city right next to the other?

Can you really do that in 3? I never bothered to find out.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by KyuuA4
Can you really do that in 3? I never bothered to find out.

Very wasteful.

[DeathByTheSword]

canals would be fun because they would create defensive bonuses too...

but they should only be build on plains and grasslands... besides that normal roads and railroads would work because the ships couldnt fit so you should also build bridges (which cost a lot of time) making it hard to cross...thus not having the normal everything-paved-with-railroads country...which is handy but not very likely

[Zoid]

Canals

[Shogun Gunner]

I've always been suspicous of this feature. Let's just take the simple example of building a city on an isthmus. Sure, you probably could carry/roll those longboats or other earlier wooden boats from one body of water to the other...but modern vessels?

I don't like having the fact that a 1 pop point city can immediately start passing any and all naval traffic across the landmass. Real life canals that are capable of passing large naval vessels have been immense constructions efforts. There needs to be a better balance between playability and realism.

[Grand Stone]

But what is important is to make ships not capable of fighting when inside a canal.

If not I fear one canal on every title and battleships taking the roll of land-units

[Ninot]

Originally posted by KyuuA4


Can you really do that in 3? I never bothered to find out.

I never tried in the early patches, but i know in the later patches, the game didn't allow two cities to be directly adjacent to each other

[Illuminatiscott]

WHat about complete and total terraforming? It could take horrendously long, but change the world when it's done. Build hills along your border for defense, fill in swamps to make grassland, dam up rivers to make lakes behind them, etc...