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  • #16
    Originally posted by Platypus Rex
    A Kiribati flag?
    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Last Conformist



      The serious point is that political unification isn't necessary for cultural/political strength and expansion. Pre-WWI Europe would be a good example..

      And we all know where that led.
      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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      • #18
        As we all know where the cold war almost led to.
        He who knows others is wise.
        He who knows himself is enlightened.
        -- Lao Tsu

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Gen. Atkinson
          I don't mean for them to have bonus's, just the option to die.
          I do realise that if my avatar dies, I die, but that is not what I meant.
          What I was trying to say is that every few turns a new leader should succeed the old, otherwise, there would be no need for government types, apart from a new form of despotism.
          Other games can do this with little difficulty e.g. the Total War series. Although in these games you require an heir, or successor, in civ it would just be a nice change.
          It may, for example, trigger a revolution, or something.
          Just an idea.

          It wouldn't be in the spirit of CIV.

          Most people enjoy playing these immortal leaders like Napolean or Lincoln.

          Also, a RTW-style leader switching system would become too fiddly after a while.

          Nope, I stand by the immortal leaders!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by molly bloom



            And we all know where that led.
            I don't think I need mention the various desasters caused by unified empires ...
            Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

            It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
            The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Last Conformist
              I don't think I need mention the various desasters caused by unified empires ...

              Or that World War I began in territory in a unified empire, that was in fact less unified than it seemed.

              Had Bismarck not actively tried to exclude Austria-Hungary from participation in North German affairs, the world might have seen a somewhat different sequence of events- although I suspect Pan Slavism and rivalry between different ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary would have led to a crisis at some point or other.

              I forget who it was who said that 'when the Eastern Question was resolved the world would be faced with the Austrian Question' , although I suspect it wasn't Herr Hitler.
              Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

              ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Vince278


                A Kiribati flag?
                Yes

                I am on a world tour with my last marble

                wait till you see the next flag
                anti steam and proud of it

                CDO ....its OCD in alpha order like it should be

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                • #23
                  Don't lose your marbles.
                  "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                  2004 Presidential Candidate
                  2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by molly bloom
                    I forget who it was who said that 'when the Eastern Question was resolved the world would be faced with the Austrian Question' , although I suspect it wasn't Herr Hitler.
                    It was Imbro Tkalac, I believe. At least, google has him saying something very similar.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kuciwalker

                      It was Imbro Tkalac,
                      You just dropped the letters from Scrabble and made that name up, admit it...
                      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                      • #26


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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Last Conformist
                          I don't think I need mention the various desasters caused by unified empires ...
                          Yes, well, if we want to extrapolate this line of logic to it's farthest extent then humanity is, itself, an immenent disaster.

                          ...

                          "The human race would have perished long ago if its preservation had depended only on the reasoning of its members." - Rousseau
                          "Vorwärts immer, rückwärts nimmer!" - Erich Honecker
                          "If one has good arms, one will always have good friends." - Machiavelli

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                          • #28
                            the old idea of global warming was been done

                            so why not other man made "gifts" to man kind
                            anti steam and proud of it

                            CDO ....its OCD in alpha order like it should be

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                            • #29
                              One feature in all of the previous civ games is the fact that all the leaders NEVER DIE!!!
                              The TRUE leader of a Civ - a human played Civ - is the Player (as in ourselves). By the way, I'm not keep on dying just for the simulation of the transfer of power leading a Civ country to another person.

                              Otherwise, our Civ. countries COULD have leaders - changing leaders... but still controls policy... we still do. Therefore, from the perspective of Civs... we're gods.

                              Yes, well, if we want to extrapolate this line of logic to it's farthest extent then humanity is, itself, an immenent disaster.
                              Yes. I'm sorry to say that we may be leading ourselves towards that disaster.

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                              Why is France a Civ.?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KyuuA4

                                Yes. I'm sorry to say that we may be leading ourselves towards that disaster.

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                                You say it like it´s a bad thing...
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