Which Civs are In?

[Nikolai]

Firaxis always have avoided anything with a hint of dangerous smells. In other words, I'd not be surprised if Israel is not in.

[Adagio]

I don't care much about which civs are in, but I want them to be different from each other (not just like Civ3), but somehow I doubt they'll do this

But PLEASE make it possible to randomize the colors for each nation (in the game)

[Solver]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Firaxis always have avoided anything with a hint of dangerous smells. In other words, I'd not be surprised if Israel is not in.

Israel is probably not in, Hebrews are, although it could be vice versa. Note that civs in Civ are usually nations, not countries.

[Nikolai]

I'd love to have the Hebrews in, just so that is said, they are and were an important part of world history. It's just that they are somewhat "dangerous" PR wise I think.

[Solver]

Hebrews are not, I don't think. Israel is, maybe. There's definitely some political argument going on about Israel now... but not Hebrews. You can't argue that Hebrews don't exist, and can't argue they were not important. So I don't see a big PR problem there.

Besides, we know that among religions in the game, there is Judaism... now I really can't see how the religion model would work if it didn't have a country for which that religion is the default .

[Brent]

Well, Call to Power had Hebrews, just without much cultural distinction, and seems to have gotten away with it, but maybe with what we know of religion in C4 it would be more dangerous.

[Trifna]

Then I'd guess Native American tribe, Arab, Israel... and undetermined 4rth one since Ethiopia makes 2 in Africa which for a North American market may or may not fit.

Incas, or some group of Ausatralia's continent maybe

[Solver]

CtP had a lot of civs... Civ4 is not going that way.

[Brent]

I don't think North America would have a problem with two African civs.

Suggested revision of my most recent complete list; replace Inuit with Inca.

[joncnunn]

For Marketing Reasons, the US has to be included.

With a religion model, it's quite of obvious that the following Civs need included:

Egypt [egyptain gods]
Hebrews [Judism]
Greeks [Stoicism]
India [Hinduism & Budism]
China [Confucism]
Italy [Roman Catholicism]
Arabs [Muslims]
Russia [Greek Orthodox]
Germany [Protestism; well the northern sections anyway]
At least one Native American tribe [native indian shamens]
At least one African tribe [african tribial]

[Solver]

Stoicism is not a religion, it's more a philosophical worldview.

The following civs have been in Civ1, Civ2 and Civ3 vanilla:

Russians, Egyptians, English, Germans, Americans, Chinese, French, Zulu, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, India (12 civs). Either that's all or there were Aztecs in Civ2, can't remember - hope the list is correct, though. Anyway, I think these will be in. And I don't really see Italy being in - Italy is just a country, relatively new, and Rome takes its place in the game.

So, I'm 90% sure about those 12 civs I mentioned being in. Hebrews too, that's 13. Then, Aztecs and Japanese are very likely. That's 15 civs out of 19. For the remaining 4, I am willing to bet Arabs, some Native American tribe (Dacota?), another Asian (Persia or Mongols come to mind) and the Spanish too, with all their American colonization stuff.

[Locutus]

Civ3 has had a total of 31 official civs, but the Hebrew were not among them. I would expect that Firaxis will pick the civs from Civ4 mostly from the list of civs that were also in Civ3, so it's not logical to assume that the Hebrew will be in (though of course it can't be entirely ruled out either).

And I don't see why they should. When ranking the most important civs in history, I would definitely not put the Hebrews in the top 20, or even the top 40 for that matter. Their 'empire' was only of (some) regional significance, their only real accomplishment is their religion. By that reasoning the Harappans, Vikings, Celts, Olmec, etc should be included as well, but it's unlikely they're all in. If existing religions such as Christianity, Islam, etc are featured in Civ4 (as opposed to generic/anonymous religions as some other games have), one would expect that Judaism is included as well, but the same does not apply for the Hebrew as a civilization.

[Brent]

Aztecs were in Civ2.

Newest revision: England, France, Germany, Russia, Rome, Greece, Egypt, Zulu, Babylon, China, India, USA, Aztec, Japan, Persia, Mongol, Spain, Israel, Arabia

[Brent]

Much of the world today is very aware of the Hebrew nation and their religion has mucgh greater influence on the modern world than that of the Vikings, Celts or Olmecs. Especially the primary audience of the game. But I agree that Judaism can be in the game without the Hebrew nation.

[Solver]

And I don't see why they should. When ranking the most important civs in history, I would definitely not put the Hebrews in the top 20, or even the top 40 for that matter. Their 'empire' was only of (some) regional significance, their only real accomplishment is their religion.

Can't agree there. Yes, the Kingdom of Israel itself didn't have a huge importance on the world, but the religion makes Hebrews one of the most important civs. Judaism also became the foundation for Christianity, and Christianity and the Bible are some of the most important things out there. I know you're an atheist, but you can't deny the importance of that. Besides, it's existing religions that are in Civ4, so Hebrews have to be in if Judaism is in - otherwise it would be sort of stupid. Like having Islam without Arabs or something like that.

And the civs that were in Civ1, Civ2 and Civ3 vanilla are definitely going to come back. Plus some extras.