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I'm new, and I've noticed the debate over wether Israel (other names include judah and hebrews) should be a viable canidate for civ4. Heres my opinion:
1. Ancient Israel did have complex society, agriculture, religion, i.e characteristics of a civ.
2. The religion, and culture, of judaism, probobly the first monotheistic religion, has existed for thousands of years despite countless efforts to wipe it out
3. Israel has had many great leaders, past and present. Some argue that many ancient Israeli leaders are myths, but on the other hand, a lot of the things said about other leaders can't be proved or disproved, but most likely have some root in truth (think King Arthur, Joan d'Arc, Hiawitha)
4. Some posts point out that Israel was not always a united state. Well, classical Greece (which is the Grecian culture we normally think about) wasn't unified. That happened after the Macedonians invaded. In case you didn't know, Alexander was Macedonian. Futher more, modern Israel is a united country.
5. Israel has had quite a few achievements, like the temple of Solomon (which has never been concretely proven, but neither has any of the 7 wonders, save the pyramids) In more modern times, the Israelis managed to create a strong economy, even though there is little arable land. Israel also has a very powerful army. Many people argue Israel's army is mostly craft from other countries. I don't believe this is a fair point because:
A. Many past armies have borrowed from others and
B. Many units are built by Israel.
In fact, Israel is a very advanced country in terms of science and medicine. My grandmother mentioned to me that, before cellphones were common in the U.S., they were quite common in Israel, which even had many cellphone rental businesses. Isreal has also resisted many invasions from others, which included a sneak attack on the very day it was founded. I'm not saying Israel always did the right thing (and i'm jewish!), but it's obvious they have been able to hold their own quite well, even in a condition where suicide bombings aren't uncommon.
In conclusion, Israel should be included in civ4, in my opinion under the following:
Name:Hebrews (covors full scope of Isreal's history/culture)
Leader: either David, Solomon, David ben Gurion or Golda Mier
Attributes: Religous and Scientific
Color: Royal blue/white
I hope this is a good start. Be back soon.
1. Ancient Israel did have complex society, agriculture, religion, i.e characteristics of a civ.
2. The religion, and culture, of judaism, probobly the first monotheistic religion, has existed for thousands of years despite countless efforts to wipe it out
3. Israel has had many great leaders, past and present. Some argue that many ancient Israeli leaders are myths, but on the other hand, a lot of the things said about other leaders can't be proved or disproved, but most likely have some root in truth (think King Arthur, Joan d'Arc, Hiawitha)
4. Some posts point out that Israel was not always a united state. Well, classical Greece (which is the Grecian culture we normally think about) wasn't unified. That happened after the Macedonians invaded. In case you didn't know, Alexander was Macedonian. Futher more, modern Israel is a united country.
5. Israel has had quite a few achievements, like the temple of Solomon (which has never been concretely proven, but neither has any of the 7 wonders, save the pyramids) In more modern times, the Israelis managed to create a strong economy, even though there is little arable land. Israel also has a very powerful army. Many people argue Israel's army is mostly craft from other countries. I don't believe this is a fair point because:
A. Many past armies have borrowed from others and
B. Many units are built by Israel.
In fact, Israel is a very advanced country in terms of science and medicine. My grandmother mentioned to me that, before cellphones were common in the U.S., they were quite common in Israel, which even had many cellphone rental businesses. Isreal has also resisted many invasions from others, which included a sneak attack on the very day it was founded. I'm not saying Israel always did the right thing (and i'm jewish!), but it's obvious they have been able to hold their own quite well, even in a condition where suicide bombings aren't uncommon.
In conclusion, Israel should be included in civ4, in my opinion under the following:
Name:Hebrews (covors full scope of Isreal's history/culture)
Leader: either David, Solomon, David ben Gurion or Golda Mier
Attributes: Religous and Scientific
Color: Royal blue/white
I hope this is a good start. Be back soon.
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