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Tech through Conquest: Bring it back?
No, too exploitable and not a good game design anyway.
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No, too exploitable and not a good game design anyway.Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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Agreed.Originally posted by alva
Tech through Conquest: Bring it back?
No, too exploitable and not a good game design anyway.
If anywhere, this belongs as an option on the game setup screen.And her eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming...Comment
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Also, if it's established either way (the invader or defender gaining tech), it should just be bonus beakers, not an entire tech.Comment
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How about if a civ is at war gets military techs X% cheaper but non-military techs X% more expensive. If the civ is at peace with everyone, then the reverse occurs, military techs are more expensive, and non-military techs are cheaper.'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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Hmm, my post on this thread dissappeared
basically:
Only techs that the conquering player could currently choose to research may be captured. In addition, there is no tech gain unless the city in question is above a certain size (at least 10). Finally, cultural/government techs cannot be captured by conquest. If you're at war, you aren't interersted in their culture so much as making them bleed after all.
Cultural/government techs should have a separate "bleed" rule to allow neighbouring/trading civs to acquire the tech through osmosis.The sons of the prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unaccustomed to fear,
But the bravest of all is the one that I'm told,
Is named Abdul Abulbul AmirComment
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And that bleed rule should only occur during peacetime.Comment
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Yeah, no acquiring philosophy from a civ you are at war with. No conquest, no cultural osmosis.
Unless of course you use espionage, but thats another thread entirely.The sons of the prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unaccustomed to fear,
But the bravest of all is the one that I'm told,
Is named Abdul Abulbul AmirComment
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How would you steal philosophy?Comment
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Kidnap Socrates and 7 other famous guys from history witha time machine perhaps?The sons of the prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unaccustomed to fear,
But the bravest of all is the one that I'm told,
Is named Abdul Abulbul AmirComment
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That's some pretty far future tech
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Mind you, there is the famous story (so famous I cant remember any names) of teh Roman general who had his soldiers executed because they accidentally killed the world famous philosopher (ie natural scientist; philosopher in ancient times != philosophy as we understand it today) in the city they were invading.
Given that these ancient "scientists" weren't devoted to their country so much as to their knowledge and research, kidnapping them would be a valid way of doing espionage to steal a tech.The sons of the prophet were valiant and bold,
And quite unaccustomed to fear,
But the bravest of all is the one that I'm told,
Is named Abdul Abulbul AmirComment
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Wasn't it Archimedes? He was the one who designed the big mirror or lens that they used to burn the attacking Roman fleet, IIRC.Comment
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I'd probably agree with this statement the most. Gaining research points by treaty (like MOO) would be good too, BTW.Originally posted by Dauphin
I'm not a fan of bringing it back, except maybe in the form of a reduced cost to research techs owned by the invaded civs.
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May not even have to kidnap them, you could gain them by conquest, or other means. One example that came to mind was the German scientist Werner von Braun. His knowledge of rocketry was crucial to the U.S. space program.Originally posted by lajzar
Given that these ancient "scientists" weren't devoted to their country so much as to their knowledge and research, kidnapping them would be a valid way of doing espionage to steal a tech.
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"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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Err, I am not really sure that is true. Though, certainly there are some and were some like this. There are also people very devoted to their country. Heck, Archimedes helped a great deal in the defense against the Roman forces.Originally posted by lajzar
Given that these ancient "scientists" weren't devoted to their country so much as to their knowledge and research, kidnapping them would be a valid way of doing espionage to steal a tech.
Naturally, you could probably force many captured scientists to work for you.
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