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**DougM** · January 9, 2006, 15:12

i can give you an answer on the map sizing issue

It is straightforward to edit the map sizing in two ways:

In XML:
In Civ4WorldInfo.XML
Modify the world info for huge, changing the settings of gridwidth and gridheight:
63
63

I believe based on reading other posts that 63x63 is the maximum. I've used 48x24 which is enormous and barely usable on a 1 GB machine.

You could make a mod with just that one file (matching the appropriate assets/XML/GameInfo/ path. That would work for any map that doesn't override the default settings.

If you want to use a map type that does happen to override the default settings, you have to go into the PublicMaps and edit the corresponding .py script, and replace their map sizing with your own. That looks something like this:

grid_sizes = {
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_DUEL: (8,4),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_TINY: (12,6),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_SMALL: (16,8),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_STANDARD: (20,10),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_LARGE: (24,12),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_HUGE: (32,16)
}

Fix that to the sizes you want.

If all of this is beyond your modding skills and no one else volunteers soon, I'll make and post the XML mod that will just max out the size of the huge world.

I'm not sure how to grant a huge pile of gold to start. I could easily enough make an XML-only mod where every goody hut gives you 1Million gold if that would solve the problem (depends on what effect exactly you want).

**Grandpa Troll** · January 9, 2006, 19:51

Re: i can give you an answer on the map sizing issue

Originally posted by DougM
It is straightforward to edit the map sizing in two ways:

In XML:
In Civ4WorldInfo.XML
Modify the world info for huge, changing the settings of gridwidth and gridheight:
63
63

I believe based on reading other posts that 63x63 is the maximum. I've used 48x24 which is enormous and barely usable on a 1 GB machine.

Good to know, I could play with to get the optimum performing size for my machine

You could make a mod with just that one file (matching the appropriate assets/XML/GameInfo/ path.

Ok, you got me here, so i would need additional files?

Also I would simply create a file in the [MOD] folder?

That would work for any map that doesn't override the default settings.

If you want to use a map type that does happen to override the default settings, you have to go into the PublicMaps and edit the corresponding .py script, and replace their map sizing with your own. That looks something like this:

grid_sizes = {
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_DUEL: (8,4),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_TINY: (12,6),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_SMALL: (16,8),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_STANDARD: (20,10),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_LARGE: (24,12),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_HUGE: (32,16)
}

Fix that to the sizes you want.

Id rather have something where I can play all the PBEM but during "my time" have this map for my personal pleasure

If all of this is beyond your modding skills and no one else volunteers soon, I'll make and post the XML mod that will just max out the size of the huge world.

That would be super!

I'm not sure how to grant a huge pile of gold to start. I could easily enough make an XML-only mod where every goody hut gives you 1Million gold if that would solve the problem (depends on what effect exactly you want).

Id just like to say have an option to start with 5K,10K or even 100K versus -0- or whatever the default gold is

I would say 1 Million but what I am toying with now, is I took the biggest world the game comes with, set on 6 spots, started game, opened World Builder and then "EDITED" myself an Island with a swath of Ocean between me and other huge continent.

I am basically not agreeing with any AI Demands and no open borders and seeing if I can build my world up vs all the ai and have a huge massive Mega Battle at end. I am looking toward me vs like 11 or 12 ai

Just a thought is all

I appreciate the feedback and am trying to have someone who knows what they are doing so I dont screw up the game

I seen where a few game are sensitive to any files being misplaced.

Ok

I do thank you for the offer and now we have the start of a relationship, me being the street begging miscreant and you the High Faluenting Muckey Muck with all this knowledge and wealth..

/me in his best David Copperfield immitation "Please sir, a penny for the poor"

**DougM** · January 10, 2006, 09:18

mod for big maps

Here is a mod which does nothing but increase the map sizes greatly.

I tried loading huge (63x63) on my computer with 1 gig of memory and it didn't work. Large (47x47) works ok though. Note that those sizes are multiplied by 4, so that the 47x47 large map is actually 188x188 tiles (why i don't know: probably the civ4 game map engine handles something only in multiples of 4).

I modified the sizes for all the map types so you can quickly try to find out what works for you, here are the sizes:

duel 11x11 (was 10x6 = 2.02 times as big)
tiny 15x15 (was 13x8 = 2.16 times as big)
small 23x23 (was 16x10 = 3.31 times as big)
standard 31x31 (was 21x13 = 3.52 times as big, 1.50 times old huge)
large 47x47 (was 26x16 = 5.31 times as big , 3.45 times old huge)
huge 63x63 (was 32x20 = 6.20 times as big)

Just to mention it, you should be forewarned that since nothing else changed, the technology pace of the game is probably going to seem fast, since you'll be able to build more or more effective cities given the extra room, but the tech cost has not been increased to compensate.

Extract the zip file to your publicmods folder under civ4.
Then in your civ4config, you need to set:

; Specify a Mod folder (Mods\Mesopotamia), '0' for none
Mod = Mods\BigMaps

Attached Files

bigmaps.zip (1.8 KB, 83 views)

**Blake** · January 10, 2006, 09:26

I'm pretty sure there is a gold cheat code (of sorts) using the console thingy (you enable it in the INI file), I'm sure someone else has the details onhand.

**Grandpa Troll** · January 10, 2006, 09:47

Re: mod for big maps

Originally posted by DougM
Here is a mod which does nothing but increase the map sizes greatly.

I tried loading huge (63x63) on my computer with 1 gig of memory and it didn't work. Large (47x47) works ok though. Note that those sizes are multiplied by 4, so that the 47x47 large map is actually 188x188 tiles (why i don't know: probably the civ4 game map engine handles something only in multiples of 4).

I modified the sizes for all the map types so you can quickly try to find out what works for you, here are the sizes:

duel 11x11 (was 10x6 = 2.02 times as big)
tiny 15x15 (was 13x8 = 2.16 times as big)
small 23x23 (was 16x10 = 3.31 times as big)
standard 31x31 (was 21x13 = 3.52 times as big, 1.50 times old huge)
large 47x47 (was 26x16 = 5.31 times as big , 3.45 times old huge)
huge 63x63 (was 32x20 = 6.20 times as big)

Just to mention it, you should be forewarned that since nothing else changed, the technology pace of the game is probably going to seem fast, since you'll be able to build more or more effective cities given the extra room, but the tech cost has not been increased to compensate.

Extract the zip file to your publicmods folder under civ4.
Then in your civ4config, you need to set:

; Specify a Mod folder (Mods\Mesopotamia), '0' for none
Mod = Mods\BigMaps

Thanks a lot

One question though, will doing this above screw up me playing PBEM's?

I do appreciate the help!

Gramps

**Grandpa Troll** · January 10, 2006, 09:50

I just thought, it is gonna be great when you just click "CONQUEST" which will allow the game to go on for an extremely long time..untill all are gone

I see a potential Story Writing Opportunity here as well

Thanks for the help

Gramps

**DougM** · January 10, 2006, 09:57

pbem games

I don't know if / how it will affect pbem games (I don't use pbem at all). My recommendation would be to change it back to normal before playing pbem games, just to be safe.

**DougM** · January 10, 2006, 10:00

pbem followup

Note that I only meant the civ4config change might need to be undone for pbem. Having the mod sitting in your mods directory shouldn't matter as long as your config is not telling civ4 to load it. If the civ4config is set to the default, then it basically doesn't even know the mod exists. So worst case, you just change the civ4config before each pbem game. Best case you might not have to do anything (give it a try if you have a partner who doesn't mind running a quick experiment).

**Grandpa Troll** · January 10, 2006, 20:29

Either this isnt working or, well, it doesnt seem right

I meet my first ai like 6-8 turns in
Im using Huge Map with 10 spots

No problem loading or playing

I have an Athlon 64 bit 3400+ processor

1 GIG DDR RAM

Radeon X800Pro Graphics (256 RAM)

I downloaded this into my MOD Folder and extracted there

I then went to the CIVIV Config and put after the MOD=0 I took the zero out and put Mods\BigMaps

Didi I miss something or am I siomply running the Battlestar Gallatica PC and all is good?

(I go to advanced and select the LOAD A MOD as well, selecting the BIG MAPS)

Thanks for the help

Gramps

**Grandpa Troll** · January 10, 2006, 20:37

Re: pbem followup

Originally posted by DougM
Note that I only meant the civ4config change might need to be undone for pbem. Having the mod sitting in your mods directory shouldn't matter as long as your config is not telling civ4 to load it. If the civ4config is set to the default, then it basically doesn't even know the mod exists. So worst case, you just change the civ4config before each pbem game. Best case you might not have to do anything (give it a try if you have a partner who doesn't mind running a quick experiment).

yes I had to put the zero back in and remove the mods/bigmaps

to play pbem

**DougM** · January 11, 2006, 11:33

easy way to check

There are two easy ways to check and see if you are using the mod:

1) It should say bigmaps in the upper right of the screen when you reach the main menu (the one with single player, multiplayer, view hall of fame ....)

2) If you enter the worldbuilder after starting a game, you should be able to count the number of tiles you're getting horizontally and vertically. Should be 44x44 for a duel map if you're using the mod.

One important thing I have to point out: if you don't use the right map type, this won't work, because some of the map types override the sizes coming from the mod. Which maptype did you try to use?

Finally, make sure you did put the mod back in your civ4Config file after your pbem games. It should read:

; Specify a Mod folder (Mods\Mesopotamia), '0' for none
Mod = Mods\BigMaps

Also, one person I ran into discovered that after patching, he had two such entries in his config. Make sure you only have one, and that it is set to the bigmaps when you want to use it.

**Grandpa Troll** · January 11, 2006, 12:42

Re: easy way to check

Originally posted by DougM
There are two easy ways to check and see if you are using the mod:

1) It should say bigmaps in the upper right of the screen when you reach the main menu (the one with single player, multiplayer, view hall of fame ....)

I dont remember seeing this?????But will check when I get home

2) If you enter the worldbuilder after starting a game, you should be able to count the number of tiles you're getting horizontally and vertically. Should be 44x44 for a duel map if you're using the mod.

I will check this when I get home

One important thing I have to point out: if you don't use the right map type, this won't work, because some of the map types override the sizes coming from the mod. Which maptype did you try to use?

Great Plains

Finally, make sure you did put the mod back in your civ4Config file after your pbem games. It should read:

; Specify a Mod folder (Mods\Mesopotamia), '0' for none
Mod = Mods\BigMaps

I put it after one entry, will see if there are multiples as you discussed below

Also, one person I ran into discovered that after patching, he had two such entries in his config. Make sure you only have one, and that it is set to the bigmaps when you want to use it.

Ok
I do appreciate the help and will check this out later

Again

Gracias Hermano

Gramps

**DougM** · January 11, 2006, 13:06

great plains is a map size overriding map

Great plains sets its own custom map sizes.

(from great_plains.py in the publicmaps folder):
grid_sizes = {
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_DUEL: (5,3),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_TINY: (6,4),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_SMALL: (8,6),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_STANDARD: (11,8),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_LARGE: (14,11),
WorldSizeTypes.WORLDSIZE_HUGE: (18,14)
}

So unfortunately the mod cannot override this.

I've attached a modified version of the great plains script with the sizes changed to the same as the mod. Download, put in your public maps directory. Start a custom game, select big_great_plains as the map, configure the rest to your liking and go from there.

Attached Files

big_great_plains.zip (9.7 KB, 90 views)

**Grandpa Troll** · January 11, 2006, 15:44

You will be blessed for helping an Old Troll out

I shall hereby decree you are not to be touched by Trolls while in the BIG_DARK-DAMP_FOREST

Ill play when I get home

Gramps

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