Already a new thread, it seems that we will need at least three before the Rugby World Cup is over.
I know the question may sound stupid but how do you know the postcount...
Rugby World Cup 2003 - The Rugby Widows Weep!
Here's your new thread guys.I had Mrs Havak, Finbar and Caligastia in mind when I created this thread title.
Are your ladies complaining yet fellas?
Link here for the old one.
I still have about 4 games on tape I have to watch, so I'm still avoiding this thread...
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Already a new thread, it seems that we will need at least three before the Rugby World Cup is over.
I know the question may sound stupid but how do you know the postcount...
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Easy, just look at the number of replies to the thread. 500 is the limit.Originally posted by Tamerlin
I know the question may sound stupid but how do you know the postcount...
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
I have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine something has been said somewhere. I'll have a look around.*EDIT* Okay I need to indulge in a little Tamerlin like spleen venting here.
John Eales, Eddie Jones, Rudi Straeuli (and regrettably Jacques Brunel who should know better) - SHUT YOUR HYPOCRITICAL MOUTHS!
Finbar can find out what the anti-Pom mob has been saying for you - I'm too damn angry
But I will give the last words to Neil Back who said the criticism of England was "borne out of fear" while England forwards coach Andy Robinson insisted that his pack was "very legal".
Bit desperate isn't it Finbar - wheeling out Nobody to help launch yet another SH coaching attack on referees with a view to making life suit only SH sides? It's getting tedious quite frankly. Respect to the ABs for keeping totally out of it.
Edit. I've since found the report. Frankly, I've wondered the same thing about Back's positioning at the back of the maul. He's rarely bound, he sort of hovers there. Presumably, with Clive having complained loudly that Joe Roff's try was illegal - while, hypocritically, using decoy runners himself - it's been decided that all's fair in love and war. I can't comment on the lineout observation because I haven't noticed it.
It tells you in the column beside the thread title!I know the question may sound stupid but how do you know the postcount...
That aside, I have to inform the thread that, up until the end of the last thread - "Crunch Time" - we have totalled 5,976 posts since we started our first dedicated rugby thread. Shame on you all for wasting so much precious time and even more precious cyberspace!
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
I am unable to go to AB games in melbourne due to timing and work etc so thought i might go to an AB training session.On enquiry found that all training sessions are closed to public due to player and tactics privacy issues(Sth African spies mentioned).Not real happy with this so sent email to AB communications officer-very helpful chap.He advised that 4 AB players were signing autographs at melbourne sports store today and invited me to bring 11year old daughter(Joe Rokocoko fan) and she would be looked after. Daughter now very happy with autographed T shirt and poster and she got to meet Rokocoko and has photos with him. Most impressed with time he took to help out-not always found in large organisations.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
TheStinger posted the link in the last thread. Accusations of CheatingOriginally posted by finbar
I have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine something has been said somewhere. I'll have a look around.
Havak, water off a ducks back. Its the refs decision at the end of the day, and if he starts penalising then you and I both know England will adapt quickly.
That's brilliant. I've heard a lot about how Cokopops always has time for his fans. Good on him.Originally posted by kiwiman
Rokocoko and has photos with him. Most impressed with time he took to help out-not always found in large organisations.
Oh, btw, was at a work do yesterday at Twickers, and got the tour of the Presidents room, Royal Box and the players rooms under the East tadium. Awesome! The ground holds 74,000 odd now, but with the new North stand being completed in mid 2004, it will hold 83,000 odd! Did a wickedly smelly fart when I sat in Jonny Wilkinson's spot in the change rooms
Errrr... Thanks Caligastia, the question was indeed stupid.Originally posted by Caligastia
Easy, just look at the number of replies to the thread. 500 is the limit.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Beware, in some countries a sentence saying that a high level sportsman is taking care of 11 years girls could be badly perceived.Originally posted by "don't remember who"
He advised that 4 AB players were signing autographs at melbourne sports store today and invited me to bring 11year old daughter(Joe Rokocoko fan) and she would be looked after.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
He is always bound, but does change hands as he makes himself busy looking to break off either side. Is that illegal? In this he is no different at all to the AB great Josh Kronfeld or the current incumbent McCaw – and the criticism is ill founded, untimely and unwelcome to be honest. Yes just like Clive’s comments on Australia’s use of obstruction – not defending those here – the difference being this criticism is entirely wrong rather than simply hypocritical - and mainly coming from two teams that can’t maul to save their lives.Frankly, I've wondered the same thing about Back's positioning at the back of the maul. He's rarely bound, he sort of hovers there.
Yup – still kind of
True enoughHavak, water off a ducks back. Its the refs decision at the end of the day, and if he starts penalising then you and I both know England will adapt quickly.
I was annoyed – I may have exaggerated it a little.To be honest Jones does get to me sometimes – a hugely unsuccessful International coach he has no problem telling referees and even the IRB how things should be changed and/or policed – he gets my goat at times and to be joined in criticism by a former player I respect greatly – well that just disappoints me. I mean for goodness sake Wilson was always absolutely correctly bound right Ealesy? Yes?
I know at my age I shouldn’t but I did laugh at this.Did a wickedly smelly fart when I sat in Jonny Wilkinson's spot in the change rooms
Beware, in some countries a sentence saying that a high level sportsman is taking care of 11 years girls could be badly perceived.
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Funny you should mention it. Yet another of our top swim coaches is being accused of behaving improperly with young female swimmers. Part of the problem seems to be that instruction, as laid down in the coaching manuals, requires various degrees of physical contact. Exactly how that is interpreted - or misinterpreted - is the question.Originally posted by Tamerlin
Beware, in some countries a sentence saying that a high level sportsman is taking care of 11 years girls could be badly perceived.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
No, he's not always bound.Originally posted by Havak
He is always bound, but does change hands as he makes himself busy looking to break off either side.
Yes, if he's not bound.Is that illegal?
Yup – still kind of
Time to put things into context. Channel 7 has a Tuesday night WRC show during which games are analysed, and, amongst other things, a fancy video screen is used to examine and analyse various interesting tactical bits and pieces. John Eales, whose turn it was as analyst, used the screen to illustrate how Neil Back several times wasn't bound. Not that he was moving the ball from one hand to another. He had the ball under one arm and wasn't bound.I was annoyed – I may have exaggerated it a little.
The point was raised with Eddie at a media event a day later. On the evidence provided, Eddie agreed with Eales.
Cue a certain retired tighthead with a high forehead to suggest that, obviously, Eddie had organised for Eales to highlight the situation before organising to have someone ask him it about the next day.
It most certainly is illegal. The laws require you to be bound to the maul, otherwise you are being shepherded. Shame on you for condoning such illegality!I don't understand why he has joined the fray... the said illegal tactic, and it is certainly not an illegal one, is a common occurence in the French and English championships where mauls are still in use.
The Georgia coach enters the mindgames fray!"I didn't feel England were as confident as some people said they would be. Even against us, they seemed at times to have doubt about their game and to be over-careful about every move," Saurel said.
"I think they are so much under stress that they are going to be scared stiff before every game and I don't think you would be able to get a smile from (coach) Clive Woodward even if you bought him a bag of tickles."
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
I must have missed something when I read the article, I was thinking about something else...Originally posted by finbar
It most certainly is illegal. The laws require you to be bound to the maul, otherwise you are being shepherded. Shame on you for condoning such illegality!
There is something strange in what is said and in the same time that is completely stupid... tell me how a forward can take part in a rolling maul without being locked to his partners... there are also some moments when the forwards have to unlock in order to change their position in the maul... sounds like it is a bit ridiculous!
It is all the same very curious that the said infringements of the laws are related to the mauls, a phase that is less and less used in the SH and that is considered as unaesthetic by the uneducated heretics of the SH.
Whatever the case, to the exception of Jacques Brunel (I still don't understand why he has joined this spurious debate), the criticisms of the SH nations are completely out of place when you know these same nations are ever trying to bend the laws through their referees and their interpretations.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Obviously forwards have to unbind in order to reposition themselves!Originally posted by Tamerlin
I must have missed something when I read the article, I was thinking about something else...
There is something strange in what is said and in the same time that is completely stupid... tell me how a forward can take part in a rolling maul without being locked to his partners... there are also some moments when the forwards have to unlock in order to change their position in the maul... sounds like it is a bit ridiculous!
Only because we don't have the fat players to do it! If Les Grenouilles - full of Cassoulet - and the English - full of Pork Pies - are obviously prepared to elevate their cholesterol levels to astronomic proportions just for the sake of a maul, that's their problem!It is all the same very curious that the said infringements of the laws are related to the mauls, a phase that is less and less used in the SH and that is considered as unaesthetic by the uneducated heretics of the SH.
He wasn't debating the maul situation, he was complaining about the English habits in the lineout!Whatever the case, to the exception of Jacques Brunel (I still don't understand why he has joined this spurious debate)
They only pretend to contest the ball, they put their arms around the opponent's jumper while he is coming down to stop him from releasing the ball," said Brunel.
"At the same time another of their players goes through and round the line-out with his arms in the air to say 'sorry ref, mistake' but he is actually slowing down their opponents' support players.
"They often manage to spoil line-out possession with these tactics."
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Hey, Tamerlin, I turned on the TV and they're showing the 1987 RWC final! Care to put some of your hard-earned Euros on France to beat the ABs?
Edit. Sorry, Tamerlin, you lost. That'll be 20 Euros, thanks. Oh, I invested 20 Euros of your money for you on France in your absence ...
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
I have never seen something more ridiculous than two singers dressed like national flags singing the national anthems with a pretty-pretty voice and look...
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Halftime score:
All Blacks 28
Canada 3
The first 30 minutes were possibly the most ordinary 30 minutes of rugby played by the ABs for a while. The Canadians are trying hard and defending well, the ABs are all over the place - bungling their lineouts, mishandling, mistiming passes, et al. They've scored four tries to half time, but they've come from isolated breakouts. There may well be a flood of tries in the second half as the Canadians tire, but those who took Canada this morning with a 76.5 points start must be feeling pretty happy.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by finbar
He wasn't debating the maul situation, he was complaining about the English habits in the lineout!
It seems I should have read the article more carefully, as we say in France I have read it en diagonale, and not very well.
Half time:
NZ 28 - Canada 3
This is the game of the B-teams, as far as I remember the All Blacks have not scored a try after a move they initiated themselves. They have only scored tries after the Canadians lost the ball...
One of the first dummy runners has been sanctionned by Mr Spreadbury (a british referee) after the NH teams complained that they were not whistled... Mr Spreadbury should not have forgotten the tens commited before this one. Dummy runners are IMO far more problematic than the spurious debate started by the SH about England.
Another ridiculous thing is that only one player out of ten coming from the side of the mauls and spontaneous scrums is sanctionned by the referee... I can only remember few scrums and mauls (perhaps one or two) in which an AB player did not came from the side.
Otherwise, a relatively poor game, though the Canadians are defending rather well their attacks are too slow or too foreseeable to be efficient.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
NZ 68 - Canada 6
The All Blacks recovered some of their automatisms in the sceond half with the replacements and a tired Canadian defence. Nothing new under the sun though I found this AB B-team rather clumsy as they lost many balls.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Yes, not one of the All Blacks' finer efforts, even if it wasn't entirely the A team. They gained some rhythm in the second half, but only in patches. And the Canadians really stopped to a walk. It's a pity the Canadians were always so short of attacking options because, particularly in the first half, they had enough of the ball.
Interesting to note that Carter - not Carlos - did all the goal kicking for the ABs. And did it, as always, very well. I suspect that means Carter will probably be Umaga's replacement when the crunch games come.
Edit. Oh, Tamerlin. You had more luck in the match they replayed after the replay of the 1987 RWC final! They showed the Wallabies -v- France First Test from 1972. You drew 14-all in Sydney. I'm just glad they didn't show the Second Test! You won 16-15!
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Originally posted by finbar
Edit. Oh, Tamerlin. You had more luck in the match they replayed after the replay of the 1987 RWC final! They showed the Wallabies -v- France First Test from 1972. You drew 14-all in Sydney. I'm just glad they didn't show the Second Test! You won 16-15!
Give me back my 20 €...
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
NZ 68 - Canada 6
Bugger. bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger bugger !
Andydog obviously watched the match.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Why hasn't my keyboard got a Euro key!Originally posted by Tamerlin
Give me back my 20 €...
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Buy a real PC!
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
How does someone, in a matter of weeks, go from such quotes as these about South Africa:
To quotes such as these:The bitter twisted Welsh turncoat wrote:
It is all very well hundreds of ever-hopeful Kiwi fans lauding their team (no doubt, among them are hundreds of Kiwi fans who savaged their team until recently). Yet as the All Blacks prepare for a lap of honour in their two home Tri-Nations matches, I have to ***** some of the general euphoria by pointing out that a team led by my late grandmother would also have taken the crown this season, without breaking sweat....
....But we must remember the abject surrender of the opposition teams in the last few weeks, and judge the All Blacks only when they have beaten a proper international rugby team, rather than the washed-up Wallabies and the sad Springboks....
Just quietly, it sounds like someone's starting to sh!t himself and might be realising his previous quotes are going to bite him fair and square in the arse! Stephen Jones's last thread of journalistic integrity… meet toilet… I'm sure you'll make a wonderful couple!The bitter twisted Welsh turncoat wrote:
Maybe, in what will be a fantastic contest with shuddering hits and massive tensions, the team that keeps the coolest collective head will win....
....What impressed me about South Africa against Uruguay was the pace and conviction with which they went about things. Not since the era of Nick Mallett have the Springboks played with clarity in their gameplan, but considering this is a team in its formative stages they gelled well.
Their back row was very upright, but the return of Corné Krige will give them a low-level battler alongside Joe van Niekerk and Juan Smith and while their front five did not appear to have so much sheer footballing ability as their English counterparts, they then have a nice combination of grunt, and energy in the loose.
Richard Bands, in outward appearance, is an old-time farming-stock Bokke prop, but defences do have a habit of opening in front of him as he thunders on his way. Bakkies Botha and Victor Matfield are willowy enough and dextrous enough to pose a threat to the England ball in the line-out......
...England should just about do it. I have never shared much of the rampaging optimism which has swept England ever since they thrashed the Springboks by 50 in the English winter of 2002. The impetus of the draw, and of impending humiliation, can make up for so many Springbok weaknesses. It could even be that if England do win and do motor on to take the title itself, then events at Subiaco on Saturday will be seen as their hardest hour-and-a-half. In a week of major margins, it is hard to see this as anything other than a narrow squeak.
Well Stephen Jones writes what he thinks the Times readers will lap up in the prevailing climate - treat it wth a pinch of salt.
Finbar - I took the day off and forgot to mention it - I will catch up and read the article in due course I promise.
In the meantime good luck England!
The thoughts of the georgia coach bother me as much as a pub running out of lager - Neil Back is innocent I tell you, innocent, and our line out totally legal.
That just about covers it?
The loss of Dawson may be a problem, the loss of Hill brings Moody in - he was very sharp last week and i'd like to see if you think he is still the player of potential he was before his shoulder went last November?
Swing low, Sweet Chariots...
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Is there an attack of
Now let's talk about serious business for a change. I have to let you know that my team has beaten the team of the France Champions.I mean I, as a player, bet the Stade Francais.
Of course, it was not the team that plays in first division, but the folklo team, that's to say a vet team, but anyway, I've got bits of skin missing on my thigh, so I thought I could boast a little.
As a result I'm so tired that I spent half the day sleeping and I'm not sure I'll wake up for the matches tomorrow...
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Originally posted by LDiCesare
Is there an attack of
Now let's talk about serious business for a change. I have to let you know that my team has beaten the team of the France Champions.
That is not important, every team that beats the Stade Français must be supported.Of course, it was not the team that plays in first division, but the folklo team, that's to say a vet team...
You can't do that, France is playing at 11:05 am.As a result I'm so tired that I spent half the day sleeping and I'm not sure I'll wake up for the matches tomorrow...
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
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