We should have daylight savings time year round

**Dis** · October 12, 2003, 16:18

I don't like it getting dark so early. Is there any valid reason not to have daylight savings time year round

**Solly** · October 12, 2003, 17:15

So kids don't get run over getting to school. Or something like that.

**korn469** · October 12, 2003, 17:37

i love daylight savings time too

**Dis** · October 12, 2003, 17:42

then they get run over coming home from school

We used to have 6th grade centers in my city (part of integration with the black neighborhoods). We used to get out of school at 4:05 PM. It would be dark by the time the school bus dropped us off at the bus stop.

Though that's not as much of a problem now they have no more 6th grade centers- we went back to segregation

. The elementary kids get out at like 3:15 PM.

**St Leo** · October 12, 2003, 19:21

We should get rid of the whole concept of minute, hour, day, week, and year. There's absolutely no reason why we can't measure stuff in kiloseconds.

**reds4ever** · October 12, 2003, 19:33

Originally posted by St Leo
We should get rid of the whole concept of minute, hour, day, week, and year. There's absolutely no reason why we can't measure stuff in kiloseconds.

So why does the Earth turn on it's axis EXACTLY once a day? and revolve around the Sun (pretty much) EXACTLY once a year? Thats why those units are chosen, because they fit! EXACTLY

**Asher** · October 12, 2003, 19:38

Originally posted by reds4ever
and revolve around the Sun (pretty much) EXACTLY once a year? Thats why those units are chosen, because they fit! EXACTLY

But it takes 365.25 days to revolve around the Sun, not 365 exactly.

**reds4ever** · October 12, 2003, 19:44

Originally posted by Asher

But it takes 365.25 days to revolve around the Sun, not 365 exactly.

Thats why I put the 'pretty much' in

**Skanky Burns** · October 12, 2003, 19:44

The only good part of daylight saving is it ending.

Soon I will be getting up at 4am just to get to work.

**St Leo** · October 12, 2003, 19:50

Originally posted by reds4ever

So why does the Earth turn on it's axis EXACTLY once a day? and revolve around the Sun (pretty much) EXACTLY once a year? Thats why those units are chosen, because they fit! EXACTLY

Are you a farmer or something? My point is that those periods are pretty irrelevant to human experience. I, for one, wouldn't mind lenghtening the day by an hour or so. Yes, the relationship between wake-up time and daylight will vary, but that's not actually relevant to modern civilisation.:P

**reds4ever** · October 12, 2003, 19:54

Originally posted by St Leo

Are you a farmer or something? My point is that those periods are pretty irrelevant to human experience. I, for one, wouldn't mind lenghtening the day by an hour or so. Yes, the relationship between wake-up time and daylight will vary, but that's not actually relevant to modern civilisation.:P

I knew I'd get someone Asher

Sorry Leo, I could n't resist

**reds4ever** · October 12, 2003, 20:04

Originally posted by St Leo
. I, for one, wouldn't mind lenghtening the day by an hour or so.

Wouldn't that make the nights shorter? I need my sleep....

**alva** · October 12, 2003, 20:35

Well, then sleep during the day

**Dis** · October 23, 2003, 03:11

bump to remind people to set their clocks back saturday night

**Skanky Burns** · October 23, 2003, 03:26

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Soon I will be getting up at 4am just to get to work.

****

**Zero** · October 23, 2003, 03:28

Originally posted by Asher

But it takes 365.25 days to revolve around the Sun, not 365 exactly.

even 365.25 is not an exact figure and causes calendars to be messed up every few hundred years.

**Asher** · October 23, 2003, 03:29

I never said 365.25 was exact either.

**Snotty** · October 23, 2003, 04:20

The clocks going back ****s me up at work. We are working till sundown now at about 6ish, but as of next week we finish at 5, and that goes down to 3:30 at the height of winter. DST should be all year round so I can actually earn some money in winter.

And getting out of bed earlier isnt an option. I mention it to my boss every year, and you should see the look I get

**Zero** · October 23, 2003, 04:31

i hate winter. Lets install a huge ass flourescent light on the sky.

I have every single lamp and light turned on in my room and it still isnt bright enuff. :sad:

**JohnT** · October 23, 2003, 04:34

Actually, the US did do a yearlong* Daylight Savings time experiment back in the days of the Oil Shocks, I think in 1975. It was a disaster for all involved because people sure as hell didn't like sending their 7 year olds walking to school in the dark, nor did they like seeing the sun rise past 8:00am, nor were we thrilled when it set around 9:00pm.

*Or maybe just an extended DST.

**Garth Vader** · October 23, 2003, 11:19

We don't change our clocks so I don't know if that means we are on DST or regular time all year round.

But we are far enough north that you can't help having some time where you go to work and come home in the dark.

**Dis** · October 24, 2003, 01:57

The guy on the radio had a good point. Most people are up later and sleep in.

By getting rid of daylight savings time in the winter months, we turn our lights on just 1 hour earlier. Burning just that much more electricity.

That would seem wasteful, would it not?

**Lancer** · October 24, 2003, 01:59

Another damn good reason to move to the equator.

**MrWhereItsAt** · October 24, 2003, 09:37

You're all whining? Skanky and I suddenly got an hour less sleep, something that certainly screwed me up. And for what? So we can look outside once work is finished and we're all exhausted and say "Gee, look at all that sun - God I wish it came earlier in the day so we could enjoy it rather than when we're too frigging tired to do anything with it!"

**Frozzy** · October 24, 2003, 15:18

[enter rant here]

**Caligastia** · October 24, 2003, 15:25

When did daylight savings get started anyway? Come to think of it - when did different time zones start getting drawn up?

**Frozzy** · October 24, 2003, 15:26

Originally posted by Asher

But it takes 365.25 days to revolve around the Sun, not 365 exactly.

365.24 actually, which is why the is/should be no leap year every 100 years.

**rah** · October 24, 2003, 16:00

I wish we had it all year round also. Getting out of work when it's dark is depressing. Going to work is already depressing so having it being dark then really doesn't matter.

**Garth Vader** · October 24, 2003, 16:07

Originally posted by Caligastia
When did daylight savings get started anyway? Come to think of it - when did different time zones start getting drawn up?

I will note that the concept of time zones originated in Canada, but this site was from the US so they don't mention that

History of Standard Time in the U.S.
Standard time in time zones was instituted in the U.S. and Canada by the railroads on 18 November 1883. Before then, time of day was a local matter, and most cities and towns used some form of local solar time, maintained by some well-known clock (for example, on a church steeple or in a jeweler's window). The new standard time system was not immediately embraced by all, however.

Use of standard time gradually increased because of its obvious practical advantages for communication and travel. Standard time in time zones was not established in U.S. law until the Act of March 19, 1918, sometimes called the Standard Time Act. The act also established daylight saving time, itself a contentious idea. Daylight saving time was repealed in 1919, but standard time in time zones remained in law, with the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) having the authority over time zone boundaries. Daylight time became a local matter. It was re-established nationally early in World War II, and was continuously observed until the end of the war. After the war its use varied among states and localities. The Uniform Time Act of 1966 provided standardization in the dates of beginning and end of daylight time in the U.S. but allowed for local exemptions from its observance. The act also continued the authority of the ICC over time zone boundaries. In subsequent years, Congress transferred the authority over time zones to the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), modifed (several times) the beginning date of daylight time, and renamed the three westernmost time zones.

Time zone boundaries have changed greatly since their original introduction and changes still occasionally occur. DOT issues press releases when these changes are made. Generally, time zone boundaries have tended to shift westward. Places on the eastern edge of a time zone can effectively move sunset an hour later (by the clock) by shifting to the time zone immediately to their east. If they do so, the boundary of that zone is locally shifted to the west; the accumulation of such changes results in the long-term westward trend. The process is not inexorable, however, since the late sunrises experienced by such places during the winter may be regarded as too undersirable. Furthermore, under the law, the principal standard for deciding on a time zone change is the "convenience of commerce." Proposed time zone changes have been both approved and rejected based on this criterion, although most such proposals have been accepted.