the regular opera thread

Q Classic · August 28, 2003, 11:49

7.20beta for windows is out. w00t.

Japher · August 28, 2003, 11:59

I liked Don Giovanni

and Le Nosse de Figaro... and we all know Wagner rocks!

SpencerH · August 28, 2003, 12:15

The clock is ticking till Boris's post.

Japher · August 28, 2003, 12:19

He'll bash Mozart, or at least say that his Operas weren't the best

Zopperoni · August 28, 2003, 12:51

I see they implemented "marquee" in 7.20. Is it also possible to disable it within the program?

Agathon · August 28, 2003, 13:42

Originally posted by Japher
He'll bash Mozart, or at least say that his Operas weren't the best

No he won't, he'll bash Wagner, thus showing himself up to be the musical and philosophical peasant he really is.

St Leo · August 28, 2003, 15:10

Q, you are slow. They released Beta6 yesterday.

Beta2 sucked, but the rest are really good.

St Leo · August 28, 2003, 16:33

Never mind, I didn't realize they had released a properly announced beta. There have been six obscures betas already in the opera.beta newsgroup.:P

7.20b Changelog
7.20b Download

VetLegion · August 28, 2003, 17:22

Yeah, like I am going to read the changelog. What's new?

And filters are getting frustrating. We should really put our efforts together one time and create the Apolyton filter.ini. I have created one but as a result of employing it I:

- Never could load the page to the end. It would be stuck forever with the bar in the bottom saying '54/57 images loaded...'. And ofcourse, the missing three are the ones I want to filter

- Expirienced strange crashes. I have barely managed to return Opera to its old state.

I mean I was testing it for technological purposes anyway, I would never stop supporting Apolyton by seeing same old ads all the time and not clicking them once in 4 years I am here

St Leo · August 28, 2003, 18:17

-GIF animation fixes
-Context menu support in Window panel
-New "Closed" menu under the "Window" menu on the main menu bar listing the 100 last closed windows
-Added find in page to "Customize toolbar" dialog box
-Added option to style forms and/or scrollbars [Page style]
-Added "Smooth scrolling" option [Windows]
-Added "Open new page next to active page" option [Windows]
-Added option to tune delay before page is updated
-Support for toolbar extender in page and personal bar. Enable "Show extender" in the page and personal bar context menus to use it.
-Added "Open background image" action
-It is now possible to drag links from the mail view and the web panels
-Regexp filter support, see The Regex Coach - interactive regular expressions
-Allow fast forward before page is completely loaded
-Fix for unreliable menu highlighting

I think those would be the main points in the changelog.

It fails to mention that entering a search term in the standalone Google searchbox now gives you a dropdown menu if you pause for a second and don't hit [enter].

Zopperoni · August 28, 2003, 18:29

Yes, but can I disable "marquee"?

St Leo · August 28, 2003, 18:44

Do you know of any sites that actually use blink or marquee? I've been using Opera with marquee-support for a while and I haven't seen any.

Ned · August 28, 2003, 18:44

I tried to install 7.20b. However, I got the message that the file size was 3mb rather than the expected 12mb. The file size is actually 12mb. I downloaded the file from two different sites with the same result. Any ideas?

VetLegion · August 28, 2003, 19:19

GIF fix is great news, I hope smilies will now animate properly.

Ned, try to download the 3 mb version, without java. I have that version, you don't need java if your prior version had it.

Zopperoni · August 28, 2003, 19:21

Originally posted by St Leo
Do you know of any sites that actually use blink or marquee? I've been using Opera with marquee-support for a while and I haven't seen any.

Yes, I do. A forum I administrate has some guys with marquee signatures.

Now, can I disable it in Opera 7.20 or not?

Asher · August 28, 2003, 21:19

Questions:

How do I click a link and have it open in a new background tab? CTRL-SHIFT-ENTER is patently ridiculous -- no thanks. In Mozilla I'd hold CTRL and click.
How to I get "link button" things up in the toolbar like I can in IE and Mozilla?
How do I make the status bar stop auto-hiding and stay visible all the time at the bottom?
Why can't you mass-delete favorites?
Is there any way for it not to show the tab-bar if there's only one tab? Like Mozilla.
How do I prevent the atrocious behavior where it resizes the image placeholders with the ALT text before the image loads?

Zopperoni · August 28, 2003, 22:11

1) You can use the default mouse gesture for that, which is: "move mouse pointer to link and hold right button, move down then up". In Opera 7, you can edit the mouse gestures to whatever is more comfortable to you.

2) I don't know.

3) View > Status bar > Bottom

4) You can: Hotlist > Bookmarks > use CTRL or SHIFT to select multiple bookmarks and then DEL =)

5+6) I don't know.

Asher · August 28, 2003, 22:14

1) Thanks
3) I've already got it set to Bottom, the problem is after the page is done it disappears. I find its disappeance/reappearance distracting and want it up all the time, is this possible?

It seems like a nice browser but even Mozilla has some one-ups on it as I've listed here. Maybe Opera 8 will be good.

Japher · August 28, 2003, 22:20

Where did Boris go? I thought of all ppl at least he would help me with this threadjack

Is Opera a webpage design program? or what?

Zopperoni · August 28, 2003, 22:35

Opera is a browser program. This is the official website: www.opera.com

Try it out, you might like it.

Originally posted by Asher
3) I've already got it set to Bottom, the problem is after the page is done it disappears. I find its disappeance/reappearance distracting and want it up all the time, is this possible?

O, you mean the bar that shows all the info like images, percent loaded, time et cetera?
Then I wouldn't know, it has never bothered me.

st_swithin · August 28, 2003, 23:26

I hear Pavarotti's gone missing.

JCG · August 29, 2003, 00:09

"Disable Copy and Cut menu entries for edit fields that contain a password (the Copy and Cut handling itself was already disabled)"

Guess I'll pass...

VetLegion · August 29, 2003, 05:01

How to I get "link button" things up in the toolbar like I can in IE and Mozilla?

I have a few but I am not sure how I made them. I think you can simply drag a tab and drop it on the toolbar. Voila!

Asher · August 29, 2003, 09:10

I needed to turn on the Personal bar.

I wish I could put it on the same line as other toolbars, like I can in IE.

Boris Godunov · August 29, 2003, 10:09

Originally posted by Japher
I liked Don Giovanni

and Le Nosse de Figaro... and we all know Wagner rocks!

"Nozze," not "Nosse."

He'll bash Mozart, or at least say that his Operas weren't the best

Bash Mozart? Hardly! Don Giovanni is certainly among the top ten operas. But no, Mozart's operas aren't the best. Even the greatest is limited a bit by contemporary conventions and a lack of full-blown emotional musical expression. Got to go to the Romantic Era for that. Carmen runs rings around any Mozart opera, dramatically speaking.

No he won't, he'll bash Wagner, thus showing himself up to be the musical and philosophical peasant he really is.

I haven't criticized Wagner unfairly, as you yourself have admitted (and unlike your ignorant, stereotyped critiques of Brahms and Bruckner. Funny you say "peasant" here, but accused me of stodgy elitism for liking Brahms. Does your philosophical aristocraticness allow for such inconsistency?). I've just been honest and fair in assessing his music, unlike someone who puts him on a pedestal and drools at his feet. Wagner produced some magnificent stuff, like the Ring and Tristan, and he also produced absolute tripe, like Parsifal. When his incredible ego and sense of self-importance (hmm, no wonder you love him so much...

) wasn't getting in the way, he produced great things. When it was, he wrote boring, sanctimonious drivel. I'd challenge anyone here to stay awake during Die Meistersinger von Nuremburg. It's better than Sominex.

I don't hate Wagner at all, but I don't think he's god's gift to music, either. Too bad he never wrote symphonic music, what a waste of potential.

Where did Boris go? I thought of all ppl at least he would help me with this threadjack

I was in the process of moving, so now am back and all connected again. Yay!

molly bloom · August 29, 2003, 11:17

I'm very partial to 'the Threepenny Opera'.

I once had to sit through an opera written in classical Greek, except for when Dionysus appeared, and to represent his 'Eastern' origins, he sang in English. It was a very trying evening.

Sarxis · August 29, 2003, 13:40

I've been meaning to see Don Giovanni for years. Probably just a rental.

Boris Godunov · August 29, 2003, 14:08

Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba
I've been meaning to see Don Giovanni for years. Probably just a rental.

Avoid the film version with Ruggerio Raimondi. Terrible.

There's a DVD available of a staged performance with Cesare Siepi in the title role, arguably the greatest Don Giovanni of the 20th Century (he and Ezio Pinza are the only real contenders, IMO). Plus, it's Wilhelm Furtwangler conducting (c. 1950 performance, but still in color).

Sarxis · August 29, 2003, 14:47

Thanx Boris.

Agathon · August 29, 2003, 15:41

Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Bash Mozart? Hardly! Don Giovanni is certainly among the top ten operas. But no, Mozart's operas aren't the best. Even the greatest is limited a bit by contemporary conventions and a lack of full-blown emotional musical expression. Got to go to the Romantic Era for that. Carmen runs rings around any Mozart opera, dramatically speaking.

Carmen? Gauche and boring.

I haven't criticized Wagner unfairly, as you yourself have admitted (and unlike your ignorant, stereotyped critiques of Brahms and Bruckner.

You haven't criticised Wagner at all. At least no criticisms of substance.

Funny you say "peasant" here, but accused me of stodgy elitism for liking Brahms.

I'd never accuse anyone of elitism for liking Brahms.

Does your philosophical aristocraticness allow for such inconsistency?). I've just been honest and fair in assessing his music, unlike someone who puts him on a pedestal and drools at his feet. Wagner produced some magnificent stuff, like the Ring and Tristan, and he also produced absolute tripe, like Parsifal.

Agreed on Parsifal. I don't put Wagner on a pedestal, he was a horrible man. But Tristan is IMHO the greatest opera ever composed.

When his incredible ego and sense of self-importance (hmm, no wonder you love him so much...

Look who's talking now.

I don't hate Wagner at all, but I don't think he's god's gift to music, either. Too bad he never wrote symphonic music, what a waste of potential.

At least there's agreement there.