What do you drive?

[SuperSneak]

Asher, does this mean you are an actual intellect?
How smart is a guy who lives with his parents when he's in college?
Even a moron knows that only a ***** would do that!

[SuperSneak]

PS...I imagine there are still a few 2dr Rav's around, or have they all blinked out of existence?

[Asher]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
Asher, does this mean you are an actual intellect?
How smart is a guy who lives with his parents when he's in college?
Even a moron knows that only a ***** would do that!

Well, considering that I'm paying for my college (what a snot nosed brat!), and that residence costs more than tuition itself, does it make much sense for me to move out? I live about 15 minutes from campus, only need to take 1 bus to get to campus, and save thousands of dollars a year doing so.

What smart guy WOULDN'T do that?

And I love your repeated attempts to avoid the issue that you're totally clueless and trying to mislead me about the modern Highlander.

[Asher]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
PS...I imagine there are still a few 2dr Rav's around, or have they all blinked out of existence?

Hahaha! Very nice, I knew you would try to pull this.

We're talking about buying new cars, Sneak, not used cars.

You can get 2 door Rav4s in the States too, by your logic.

[SuperSneak]

I paid for my own schooling as well, but I didn't live under mama's skirt while I did it.
I moved away, set down my mouse and actually met people and learned to live independently, which is probably why I am a man and you are a two year old trapped in a man's body.
Look at how insipid your behavior is, Asher...you need to grow up.
As for your Highlander harangue, the problem will still exist if not monitored...I don't see where the confusion is there? I have not stated otherwise...there is a problem. If it is not taken care of, it can ruin the car. Does that mean there isn't a problem?

[Asher]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
I paid for my own schooling as well, but I didn't live under mama's skirt while I did it.

That's great for you, but it doesn't make sense for me to move away and go to school. I can't afford it.

Please don't try to use yourself as a success story in the future, either.

Look at how insipid your behavior is, Asher...you need to grow up.

Please, Sneak, I just don't have much of a tolerance of bullshit. You're always full of it, which is why we never get along. Others seem to not notice or look past it, and that's their problem, not mine.

As for your Highlander harangue, the problem will still exist if not monitored...I don't see where the confusion is there? I have not stated otherwise...there is a problem. If it is not taken care of, it can ruin the car. Does that mean there isn't a problem?

That's right, there isn't a problem. Just like most things in life, if you do things as directed it should work. If you do things not as directed and they don't work, there's not a problem with the design of the device or product.

Most cars rust if you never clean them and leave them sitting outside all day, most paint fades as well -- is this a "problem"?

[tandeetaylor]

While I have apsolutely no knowledge about the car question at hand, I think you are being very rude Sneak. I don't think there's anything wrong with living with your parents while you finish school, if it happens to suit your situation.

My father has always made it clear to me that if I ever needed he'd be there for me, just like his parents were for him after my mother left him and he had to move back home for awhile with two kids. If you're going to criticize Asher for living at home while going to school, then you had better be prepared to discount anyone who has had a similiar experience. Are you?


And we drive a 2001 Chevy Malibu.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
Zkribbler....sell those too. Have you seen the new Special Edition Miatas? I think the Pewter looks nice, but the yellow doesn't do it for me.
The car is too small for me, however...
How do you like yours?

I haven't seen the pewter. I saw the model with the wooden steering wheel, the leather seats and the crome gas cap. Niiiiice.

It is small. I noticed that I don't so much get into it as put it on. Like any tiny car, it's ride is a little rough, but there's nothing like throwing back the top on a sunny day and driving along with the wind in my hair (...or what's left of it).

[SuperSneak]

Ha ha ha....yeah...ok, Asher. That's why you have so many people always leaping to your defense. You're so beloved. Everyone is in awe of your ability to use search engines and pass yourself off as an expert on everything. I know I am.
As for being full of bullshit, sorry--I've got the courage of my convictions and enough real life experience to know that you win some and you lose some...I'm certainly not always right, but I don't recall ever hearing you say the same thing.
You have a congenital inability to laugh at yourself or to be wrong...very dangerous and stunting traits for a young person.

As far as being a success story, I perceive that in your world money makes one successful, which is probably why you can't seem to leave the nest...too much comfort and you know you can't make it on your own devices. I'm degreed, employed, healthy, a parent, have lots of friends, stable in my sexuality, liked by my peers--I'm a self-made man--contrasted with you, I'm more successful by miles.

Tell us about your successes, Asher.

[SuperSneak]

Originally posted by tandeetaylor
While I have apsolutely no knowledge about the car question at hand, I think you are being very rude Sneak. I don't think there's anything wrong with living with your parents while you finish school, if it happens to suit your situation.

My father has always made it clear to me that if I ever needed he'd be there for me, just like his parents were for him after my mother left him and he had to move back home for awhile with two kids. If you're going to criticize Asher for living at home while going to school, then you had better be prepared to discount anyone who has had a similiar experience. Are you?


And we drive a 2001 Chevy Malibu.

Oh, no...I'm just picking on Asher because he always brags about how much money his parents have. I find it very tacky...I went to school with a lot of rich kids and they can't get by without that support...it's very sad, really. Plus, I just don't like him very much.

[SuperSneak]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


I haven't seen the pewter. I saw the model with the wooden steering wheel, the leather seats and the crome gas cap. Niiiiice.

It is small. I noticed that I don't so much get into it as put it on. Like any tiny car, it's ride is a little rough, but there's nothing like throwing back the top on a sunny day and driving along with the wind in my hair (...or what's left of it).

Why don't you just chuck that trip and trade yours in for the Special Edition?
I must say that I usually sell those cars to very affluent men who are buying it for themselves or their boyfriends. But the demographic may be different here.

[Asher]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
Ha ha ha....yeah...ok, Asher. That's why you have so many people always leaping to your defense. You're so beloved. Everyone is in awe of your ability to use search engines and pass yourself off as an expert on everything. I know I am.

I'm not an expert, but I do know when someone's trying to pull a fast one on me. It's harder to do that **** now that people have fast and easy access to the internet, Sneak, I'm sure you find it very difficult.

As for being full of bullshit, sorry--I've got the courage of my convictions and enough real life experience to know that you win some and you lose some...I'm certainly not always right, but I don't recall ever hearing you say the same thing.

I'm not always right either, and I have said that before on Poly believe it or not.

You have a congenital inability to laugh at yourself or to be wrong...very dangerous and stunting traits for a young person.

I do have the ability to laugh at myself all the time. Sometimes I'm more in the mood for it than others.

I don't like being wrong, but sometimes I am. Fortunately in this case, I'm not. Which is why you're so gracefully avoiding the issue now and going back to the "I'm older than you so you'd better listen up you whipper-snapper" approach.

As far as being a success story, I perceive that in your world money makes one successful, which is probably why you can't seem to leave the nest...too much comfort and you know you can't make it on your own devices.

I'm not "leaving the nest" because it makes FAR more sense to stay than to leave right now. I'd end up farther away from campus if I moved, I'd end up paying twice my tuition in residence ALONE. There is no logic in that, Sneak.

I'm degreed, employed, healthy, a parent, have lots of friends, stable in my sexuality, liked by my peers--I'm a self-made man--contrasted with you, I'm more successful by miles.

Tell us about your successes, Asher.

Sure. I'm maintaining a stunning GPA in a field that actually will get me a real job, I'm employed, healthy, stable in my sexuality, liked by my peers, and have more than a little bit of common sense.

You may be successful by your standards, but you certainly aren't by mine. I'd hope someone your age with a degree would find a better job and a better environment for your child by the time they're your age, particularly since you supposedly have a degree (is it in something trivial like Women's Studies?).

Hell, you and your wife got married at a quickie marriage joint in Vegas, well after your first child was born.

I guess people have wildly different definitions of success around here.

[Imran Siddiqui]

tandee why is Sneak being rude, but Asher, telling Sneak that he can't even do his job right (when he is no where NEAR the business), isn't?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
tandee why is Sneak being rude, but Asher, telling Sneak that he can't even do his job right (when he is no where NEAR the business), isn't?

Imran, he obviously CAN'T do his job right when an 18 year old kid from Canada is proving him wrong on a number of counts in the very field he specializes in.

It is somewhat rude, but it's reality, and I don't apologize for that.

[SuperSneak]

See, that just proves my point about you not having a clue, Asher.
A "real" job is one that puts food on the table. Also, according to your standards (wealth and social class) I'm doing ok as well...auto management makes 6 figures a year, easily.
As for my marriage, is there some sort of rule about when people get married? I guess I missed that one?
I love my wife, she loves me, we love our child. That's pretty bad, eh? What kind of environment do you think I live in? I've got a home...not big enough for you?

You just proved to everyone here what a spoiled little brat you are, Asher. Mission accomplished.

[tandeetaylor]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
tandee why is Sneak being rude, but Asher, telling Sneak that he can't even do his job right (when he is no where NEAR the business), isn't?

No, not if he is RIGHT. And I don't know that, do I? I already said I don't know anything about cars.

Criticizing someone for not knowing something that has to do with their job is better than attacking someone's arguments because of a personal detail that Asher is certainly not alone in.

[Asher]

SuperSneak, you've proven in the circumcision thread that you're a bigot. You've proven in this thread that you're an idiot, even in your own field.

If you think I'm a spoiled brat, it has nothing to do with anything in this thread. If I was a spoiled brat, shouldn't my parents be paying for my university? Shouldn't my parents buy me a car and pay my insurance? Are you saying I'm a spoiled brat because I live with my parents while attending College since it's FAR cheaper and more convenient for me?

I consider successful a high income, marriage before children, and a secure and stable job with room to grow.

I consider your situation acceptable. Acceptable != successful in my books, are you going to shoot me for having higher standards than you?

[SuperSneak]

Asher...you are NOT right. Just because you say you are, doesn't mean it is true.
I see these vehicles come in all the time. If every vehicle in the market went tits up because of oil changes, that would be one thing...we're talking about a specific problem due to a combination of driving and contamination that is not the norm for all cars.
I've seen lots of cars that have been driven forever without such problems. You saw the research...the Highlander has a specific issue.
But you can't admit that, so you are blind to it.
Weird.

[Asher]

Originally posted by SuperSneak
Asher...you are NOT right. Just because you say you are, doesn't mean it is true.

Hmm. I'm not right? So they sell 2-door Rav4s in Canada? So the 2003 Highlander won't have a center console?

I see these vehicles come in all the time. If every vehicle in the market went tits up because of oil changes, that would be one thing...we're talking about a specific problem due to a combination of driving and contamination that is not the norm for all cars.

Why do you think you're supposed to change the oil in the cars, Sneak? It's not because people love doing it! It's healthier for the engine if you do it. Blaming an engine failure on someone not changing the oil is wrong, you should blame the operator of the vehicle for not taking proper care.

I've seen lots of cars that have been driven forever without such problems. You saw the research...the Highlander has a specific issue.
But you can't admit that, so you are blind to it.
Weird.

Highlander does NOT have a specific issue, it affects nearly all Toyota cars. As the research has clearly shown.

[Verto]

Well, anyone who works or drives a Toyota isn't all there...We all know that Ford is a superior company.

Anyway, I'm looking at buying a car: can anyone tell me how Grand Ams and Mustangs are? I'm looking at a '99 model Grand Am and a '00 Mustang.

[SuperSneak]

Room to grow!?! My boss makes 20k a month! Is that room enough for you? And advancement is very rapid in this industry...something else Google didn't tell you. As for my ability to stop procreation from happening at an inconvenient time, well...sorry...Mother Nature has been winning that battle for a long time.
The maturity to abstain from marrying just because of a pregnancy is what counts...we got married when the time was right, not because of some perceived notion of what was appropriate.
And yes, you being a spoiled brat has everything to do with this thread...look at your first post...boasting about your dad paying cash for a car and supposedly a house...that is so tacky it makes me want to barf! When money actually means something to you, you'll know why.

[Asher]

I greatly respect my dad, he's SUCCESSFUL. Son of a poor carpenter who died while he was in his senior year of high school, he went on to graduate with honors from a world renown university in engineering, got a job with an oil company and has been working with them ever since to the point of being an executive and managing a $5B project. That is successful, Sneak.

Perhaps I shouldn't be so proud of him on here anymore. But he is my role model.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by JohnT
Paid for the Rodeo in cash. Sweeeeet.

Originally posted by Asher
Oh, and paid for it in cash. Much like the house.

While you may take whatever amount of pride in having bought your vehicles with cash, from a financial standpoint you're both rather foolish. The fact is as you drive your new car off that lot it depreciates in value to the tune of thousands of dollars. In otherwords, you'd purchased something that is worth far less than what you'd paid for it. Hardly a good buy, by any standards.

The house, on the other hand may appreciate in value, though the appreciation in real estate the last 10 (?) years has been unprecidented. I believe you're all familiar with the tech bubble, no? Well all bubbles eventually have to burst and a real estate bubble isn't unheard of. The mere liquidity of capital that you both squandered in your purchases is nothing to joke about, but I digress.

So, in summary, next time you choose to brag about buying such-and-such in cash realize that the only people you're impressing are people much like youreselves with little inkling of the actually value of money.

[Asher]

WhiteElephants: That's a weird way to look at it.

If you finance a car or a house, you pay interest. If you pay up front, you pay zero interest.

If you lease a car or a house, you're paying money for something you will never own and won't be able to sell at all when you're done with it...

[Verto]

I'd rather pay 20,000 cash for the car, rather than pay the sticker price plus interest. Besides, if you pay cash, you can trade it in whenever you need/want to.

[Dr Strangelove]

I drive a 1999 Ford Contour. My wife drives a 1995 Oldsmobile Cutlass station wagon.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Asher
WhiteElephants: That's a weird way to look at it.

If you finance a car or a house, you pay interest. If you pay up front, you pay zero interest.

If you lease a car or a house, you're paying money for something you will never own and won't be able to sell at all when you're done with it...

Correct, but the money you lose by paying up front prevents you from using that money at all and you have an item that isn't worth what you paid for it ever again, while paying monthly you own a vehicle that is worth far more than you paid for it until your payments catch up with depreciation.

Besides the interest rates on car and home loans are tiny, especially these days. Now I wouldn't suggest habitually using a high interest rate credit card to do all your shopping, but there is in fact an advantage to loans.

What you've choosen to do, unwittingly or not, is to sacrafice the liquidity of your capital -- in other words the opportunity to use your capital to make your capital work for you -- to avoid paying low interest rates on a loan that you may very well have exceed in profit percentage wise by investing it in various avenues.

You sacraficed opportunity and liquidity to purchase something that isn't worth nearly what you paid for it.

You wouldn't buy a candy bar for twenty dollars would you? It isn't worth that much, right? So, why would you pay more for a car than it's worth?

In your situations you've lost capital, liquity, and opportunity to own something that isn't worth what you paid for. Hardly something to brag about.

[Asher]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants
You wouldn't buy a candy bar for twenty dollars would you? It isn't worth that much, right? So, why would you pay more for a car than it's worth?

How do you pay more for a car than it's worth when you buy it at the fleet price?

In your situations you've lost capital, liquity, and opportunity to own something that isn't worth what you paid for. Hardly something to brag about.

You seem to think we're paying more overall to buy it upfront, when it's actually vice versa. At least in my case.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by Verto
I'd rather pay 20,000 cash for the car, rather than pay the sticker price plus interest. Besides, if you pay cash, you can trade it in whenever you need/want to.

Much easier said that done, particularly in a market of such low interest loans. Who want to pay top value for your used car when they can get a new one a low-low interest rates. In other words, not a very liquid asset.

But who am I to stop you from making poor financial decisions?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

My car...you know, what was being discussed before the threadjacking.