Rugby - The game they play in heaven
I liked this title best from all your suggestions, and the other thread is only 30-something posts from being full, so...
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Thank you for your loan proposal Finbar, I will try to handle the situation with the 25 Civ Gold I have for the moment.
Of course, if I keep betting like the weeks before, I will soon need some help.
By the way, you forgot another rule :
Never, never, never talk about scrums, mauls and spontaneous mauls in the SH with Tamerlin.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Rugby is a game played by men with odd shaped balls
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith
Youll regret that post. Now every time one of us makes a new post here you will be tempted by the red envelope with the black circle screaming "click me!!" every time you see it.Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Rugby is a game played by men with odd shaped balls
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
How do you know it ?Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Rugby is a game played by men with odd shaped balls
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
Nice one Tamerlin.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Oh God you're right, because I have posted in it, I keep checking itOriginally posted by Caligastia
Youll regret that post. Now every time one of us makes a new post here you will be tempted by the red envelope with the black circle screaming "click me!!" every time you see it.
Well I just thought I would point out that despite being from a large city, it has an atrocious football team, and is much more known for it's rugby...but to be honest with you, I don't like either game
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith
Re: Rugby - The game they play in heaven
Cripes, Cal, have you got a problem with the number 500 or something? Or 499? Or, for crying out loud, any number between about 463 and 500? I toddle off to bed having done my best to pump up Rugby - The Beautiful Game closer to the magic number ... I wake up, refreshed, ready to continue the concerted effort ... and I'm padlocked!Originally posted by Caligastia
I liked this title best from all your suggestions, and the other thread is only 30-something posts from being full, so...
BTW, you obviously didn't take note of Havak's quite legitimate objection to this new thread title. It seems to have a Welsh tang to it and he struggles, as you know, and quite rightly, to acknowledge the worthiness of anything of Celtic hue. [I can only assume, of course, given his remarkable outburst, that Provost Harrison has Celtic blood somewhere in his thin veins, demonstrating the worthiness of Havak's bias]
Anyway, it's obviously too late to exclude the western suburbs of Chester from the thread title, so we're just going to have to wear Havak's fury. OTOH, it might distract him enough for him to forget to mention England or the Tigers for a couple of days. I fear the Tommy Cooper tactic has exhausted its usefulness.
Oh well.
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" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Quite right, PH. You have fallen for our trap. Before long, you too will be waking from tortured dreams in the middle of the night screaming: "Last feet! Last feet!".Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Oh God you're right, because I have posted in it, I keep checking it
Hang around for a bit. Exactly what that means will, no doubt, be explained for you.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Je serai içi, mon ami. Toujours!Originally posted by Tamerlin
Thank you for your loan proposal Finbar, I will try to handle the situation with the 25 Civ Gold I have for the moment.
Of course, if I keep betting like the weeks before, I will soon need some help.
Yeah, sorry about that, Tamerlin. How about this then? [I've forgotten what number rule I was up to!]By the way, you forgot another rule :
Never, never, never talk about scrums, mauls and spontaneous mauls in the SH with Tamerlin.
4. As far as Tamerlin is concerned, the SH should only be talked about in terms of a pleasant holiday destination.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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Dont you like suprises?Originally posted by finbar
Cripes, Cal, have you got a problem with the number 500 or something? Or 499? Or, for crying out loud, any number between about 463 and 500? I toddle off to bed having done my best to pump up Rugby - The Beautiful Game closer to the magic number ... I wake up, refreshed, ready to continue the concerted effort ... and I'm padlocked!
Besides, if I let it get to 500 someone might get the idea that they can start the next thread, and we cant have that can we?
Well he can rest easy in the knowledge that it will never be used again as I would like to make every rugby thread with a unique title. Grin and bear it Havak! It will only happen once!BTW, you obviously didn't take note of Havak's quite legitimate objection to this new thread title. It seems to have a Welsh tang to it and he struggles, as you know, and quite rightly, to acknowledge the worthiness of anything of Celtic hue. [I can only assume, of course, given his remarkable outburst, that Provost Harrison has Celtic blood somewhere in his thin veins, demonstrating the worthiness of Havak's bias]
Besides we have to at least pretend to be equal opportunity...non discriminatory..blahblah...etc
We dont want the thought police onto us now do we? Then again, they wouldnt find much thought here would they....
I knew youd see the positives.Anyway, it's obviously too late to exclude the western suburbs of Chester from the thread title, so we're just going to have to wear Havak's fury. OTOH, it might distract him enough for him to forget to mention England or the Tigers for a couple of days. I fear the Tommy Cooper tactic has exhausted its usefulness.
Oh well.
*alwaaays look on the briiiight side of life!*
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Eternity gets that boring, huh?Rugby - The game they play in heaven
Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
"I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, Firaxis
Havak was right about them.Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Eternity gets that boring, huh?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
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A surprise would have been if the damn thing had got to 500!Originally posted by Caligastia
Dont you like suprises?
But you know what's going to happen, don't you? A troublemaker - like Tamerlin, for instanceBesides, if I let it get to 500 someone might get the idea that they can start the next thread, and we cant have that can we?
Mmmmm. I'm not sure that the word appeasement exists in Havak's online dictionary.Well he can rest easy in the knowledge that it will never be used again as I would like to make every rugby thread with a unique title. Grin and bear it Havak! It will only happen once!
Now that has to be the ultimate definition of "redundancy" - Thought Police monitoring this thread!We dont want the thought police onto us now do we? Then again, they wouldnt find much thought here would they....
Yeah, thanks, Eric.*alwaaays look on the briiiight side of life!*
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Another hapless victim falls into our trap...Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Eternity gets that boring, huh?
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
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:sheepishgrin:Originally posted by finbar
A surprise would have been if the damn thing had got to 500!
Awwww....nah, Tamerlin is too nice for that, arent ya Tamerlin old buddyBut you know what's going to happen, don't you? A troublemaker - like Tamerlin, for instance
Anyway, as the first person ever to start a rugby thread on Apolyton (as far as I know), I claim the right to be thread starter from now on.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Who what Havak said about who? What? When?
Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
"I don't believe in giving scripting languages because the only additional power they give users is the power to create bugs." - Mike Breitkreutz, Firaxis
See what I mean, Cal? If you'd included the Except The Western Suburbs Of Chester in the thread title, nongs like Immortal Dingbat would have been so baffled they'd've stuck to their usual Poll: Which Side Do You Part Your Hair? threads.Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Who what Havak said about who? What? When?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
True. Hopefully thats the last of the heathens.Originally posted by finbar
See what I mean, Cal? If you'd included the Except The Western Suburbs Of Chester in the thread title, nongs like Immortal Dingbat would have been so baffled they'd've stuck to their usual Poll: Which Side Do You Part Your Hair? threads.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Maybe we ought to put a subheading on the thread title. Something like - You have to be able to spell and structure a sentence in order to post in this thread!. That should take care of most of the potential American intruders, anyway.Originally posted by Caligastia
True. Hopefully thats the last of the heathens.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Thank god you changed your avatar back, Caligastia.
Rugby! Gah! I'm fragile! I'll never play that violent game...
You should know, you immortal pest.Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Eternity gets that boring, huh?
Maybe we ought to put a subheading on the thread title. Something like - You have to be able to spell and structure a sentence in order to post in this thread!. That should take care of most of the potential American intruders, anyway.
I dont like refs fullstop.Tamerlin really dislikes SH refs you know. Of course he is quite right - they are generally appalling for, as the laws of the game are very clear on, there is no interpretation - you are inside the laws or you are outside them.
That what Havak said, how can you hate those guys?I dont hate Wallabies, I just dont love them.
Yeah, that's exactly right. Especially the cricket ones!Think all those sorts of rankings - even the cricket ones - are faintly ludicrous, m'self. They prove nothing except that the system is flawed. I mean, even the WRC only proves a point at a particular moment in time. Things can change so rapidly.
Got it.You have too. I'm going to have to take NeoStar aside and explain the two simple facts of thread life to him:....
I heard the Boks are using refs at training - I'm glad they've finally got some sense into them. They are at home and the All Blacks are shaken up...you never know
EDIT -Thank you for your loan proposal Finbar, I will try to handle the situation with the 25 Civ Gold I have for the moment.Look, is this real money?
Last edited by NeoStar; August 7, 2002 at 03:21.
"Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)
I am unsure that refs will help boks a lot.
What kind of fouls do you do during training?
Fouls like being offside, playing the ball when you shouldn't. That is usually because either you don't know the laws of the game, in which case, what are you doing there wearing a Bok jersey?? Or because you can't be bothered at training, or decide to make a foul just to piss off your mate.
In a match, you don't do fouls for the same reasons. First you do things like late tackles. I yet have to see that on a training ground. Same for punches, kick and that sort of things. The discipline to avoid that in a match won't be provided by refs on the training ground. Of course, the boks don't need such discipline, they have never behaved like brutes on a field. That is strictly reserved ot us French, isn't it?
Other fouls in play can be tactical (let's stop that maul by falling - 3 points are less than 7) or because of the excitement of the game, or because you are so tired that you no longer know that you don't have the right to pick up the ball that is just here in front of you. I doubt refs can provide much discipline here too.
This is where rugby is cruel. Imagine a poor prop, who has touched the ball once this season because he had to throw in a lineout after the hooker and his replacement were hurt, suddenly finds himself in front of the ovoid thing during a match. This is near the end of the match. Based on the number of scrums in the second half, there can't be more than one or two lineouts left to play, and maybe one scrum, depending on the ball handling of the backs. The opponent have scored more than our prop's team, by a little margin. Does or prop remember that he is supposed not to go around the scrum but enter it from behind the feet (hint!) in order to allow the pesky scrum half to get the ball and trhow it to the backs who will let it fall, thus giving the opponent team a scrum 10 meters back? He is so much tempted to take the ball and run (well trot, or walk fast) in order to play like the Blanco, Sella, Underwood, Campese and Codorniou? That is because he saw people like them that he came to rugby in the first place. Of course, when the coach saw he was 20 lbs overweight, he told him that 1 was much neater than 12, but still, isn't modern rugby all about playing the ball? Our poor scrum, notwithstanding the fact that the far too long legs of his comrades extend their feet too far from the ball, rushes and decides to save the day by scoring a try, or at least making a charge into the face of the opponent scrum half, who is so tiny that he will probably break in half. So, excited by the new prospect of handling the ball, the prop touches the thing, and suddenly a whistle reaps his dreams apart.
(of course I said prop, but hooker, lock will do too - even winger except for the overweight part).
Will refs during training prevent players who are tired or in a critical situation from making mistakes? Particularly refs of your own country? Ask Tamerlin why the boks might get some good from having NH refs during their training. But boks refereed by boks. What will they learn?
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Neo, if you want in, you start with 100 civ gold, wager whatever you wish on the outcome of a particular match and then split the proceeds (made up from the pool wagered by the "losing" side) with the rest of the "winning" side proportionally with regards to your wagered amount.Originally posted by NeoStar
EDIT -
It is in no way real money. Just for fun (although if finbar keeps doing as well as he did last week he may start trying to convince people otherwise
to acknowledge the worthiness of anything of Celtic hue
To clarify that only in regards to rugby. I deeply respect celtic culture in other ways. And I really like Guinness.
Well until very recently that gentleman resided in Hull did he not – a bastion of League territory. As such he is corrupted by association and we need not regard anything he might say as having any import whatsoeverthat Provost Harrison has Celtic blood somewhere in his thin veins
Yeah right. That’s what I said after the Aussies won RWC 91!Grin and bear it Havak! It will only happen once!
I don’t think you understand the risk – if a Valley boy finds the thread it will die under a deluge of posts explaining why Pontyprid under 15 reserves are the best club side in the world.
Well it certainly is not in my rugby dictionary as has been adequately proved I think?Mmmmm. I'm not sure that the word appeasement exists in Havak's online dictionary.
In applying the laws? I’m afraid they are. As people I’m sure they are great blokes. Or is one of you prepared to argue SH refs apply more of the laws on average??I don't think SH refs are as bad as that, though.
The underlying killing question is why do we have refs? Think about it. They are not there as spectators are they? Well actually some SH refs are at the scrum and mauls – over to you Tamerlin.
Though we will also point out every flaw the ABs and England present – we are fair like that.Caligastia and Havak will point out every flaw the Wallabies present.
Indeed – but you have to factor in that there is bad blood between the Boks and Aussies right now. Couple that with the fact they tidily put you away in South Africa last year and I think your game is more marginal than the ABs.They are at home and the All Blacks are shaken up...you never know
Time for Havak to lose more money betting against the Green and Gold?
Very interesting post LdiCesare. I think you have a real point – training is totally different to match conditions. You often hear coaches say we don’t give away points in training.
Have the refs for the two remaining games been appointed? Fingers crossed for NH types just to add some grist to the thread.
David McHugh is a nice choice to helm RSA-Australia the second year running?
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Not for the other Rugby teams.Originally posted by finbar
4. As far as Tamerlin is concerned, the SH should only be talked about in terms of a pleasant holiday destination.
Isn't it contradictory with your Urantia Book Caligastia (not sure of the title) ?*alwaaays look on the briiiight side of life!*
You're right Caligastia, as far as no one is speaking about SH referees I'am always very nice.Awwww....nah, Tamerlin is too nice for that, arent ya Tamerlin old buddy
Very interesting post LDiCesare, but training with a referee (Joël Dumé) seems to have helped the French team during the Six Nations Tournament as they have commited few fouls, it seems he gave our players some precious advices.I am unsure that refs will help boks a lot.
Thanks Havak !... - over to you Tamerlin.
Oh yes, the SH are truly bad because their interpretation of the rules are deeply modifying the spirit of the game. Their lenient perception of the rules are becoming such a habit the SH spectators don't understand why a referee whistles some very important fouls (at least in NH standards) from times to times.
Of course, this leniency would not bother me if these misinterpretations of the rules were common only in games between SH teams. But when a NH team plays against a SH team with a SH referee, the NH players have to adapt to a different set of rules, which is not a good thing.
The previous sentences are for the newcomers as they have not read the first thread (simply titled : Rugby) and the post exchange between the NH and SH.
"Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others that have been tried." Sir Winston Churchill
because their interpretation of the rules are deeply modifying the spirit of the game
What worries me more is that they have no right to apply 'interpretation' - it's either inside the relevant law or outside it - period.
I know Finbar thinks things not immediately affecting play should be ignored, and in some aspects he may have a point - but little things like flankers lurking miles offside well away from the ball do affect play - seconds later that flanker may reach a breakdown he should not have been anywhere near?
Discuss.
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Well, even 'good' rugby players sometimes don't understand the rulesOriginally posted by LDiCesare
I am unsure that refs will help boks a lot.
What kind of fouls do you do during training?
Fouls like being offside, playing the ball when you shouldn't. That is usually because either you don't know the laws of the game, in which case, what are you doing there wearing a Bok jersey??
To be fair to them, the rugby rule book is pretty complex.
Can't argue with that. Some players will try to get away with anything for possession.Originally posted by LDiCesare
In a match, you don't do fouls for the same reasons. First you do things like late tackles. I yet have to see that on a training ground. Same for punches, kick and that sort of things. The discipline to avoid that in a match won't be provided by refs on the training ground.
Teams with that attitude deserve to lose.Originally posted by LDiCesare
Other fouls in play can be tactical (let's stop that maul by falling - 3 points are less than 7)
As I was saying to Havak, that's a real problem for the other teams. The Wallabies are too calm, though .....at least at home or NZ. Im hoping the Springbok can maintain their composure, they have the home advantage.Originally posted by LDiCesare
or because of the excitement of the game,
I get the scenario your presenting. Out in the middle its obvoiusly a real pressure cooker, especially for the example your using. You cant solely rely on talent without cool these days due to the sheer size of the modern arena - your training can only get you so far in your hypothetical situation.Originally posted by LDiCesare
This is where rugby is cruel. Imagine a poor prop...
They did enlist SA refs - Tappe Henning and Freek Burger, but they're the best they have. I suppose they don't have enough time to call a NH one.Originally posted by LDiCesare
Will refs during training prevent players who are tired or in a critical situation from making mistakes? Particularly refs of your own country? Ask Tamerlin why the boks might get some good from having NH refs during their training. But boks refereed by boks. What will they learn?
Ah - I understand. I was beginning to think finbar was running a real online gambling circuitOriginally posted by ravagon
It is in no way real money. Just for fun (although if finbar keeps doing as well as he did last week he may start trying to convince people otherwise
Don't bother if you want this new thread to last for a while. There's a 500 post limitOriginally posted by Havak
Though we will also point out every flaw the ABs and England present – we are fair like that.
Shuddup NS, that's not funny
Sorry
BTW This is a while back, but how did you kiwis take the fiasco invloving NZ losing the rights to co host the WC? Was it unexpected? I was actually fairly disappointed, compared to some of the places they're holding the games here, give me a rugby mad NZ crowd anyday.
"Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)
I agreeOriginally posted by Tamerlin
Oh yes, the SH are truly bad because their interpretation of the rules are deeply modifying the spirit of the game. Their lenient perception of the rules are becoming such a habit the SH spectators don't understand why a referee whistles some very important fouls (at least in NH standards) from times to times.
I can see what you're getting at but hey, it works the other way too. Isn't the International body trying to fix the situation?Originally posted by Tamerlin
Of course, this leniency would not bother me if these misinterpretations of the rules were common only in games between SH teams. But when a NH team plays against a SH team with a SH referee, the NH players have to adapt to a different set of rules, which is not a good thing.
This has always been an issue. Even with the linesmen a ref will have problems confirming it, there are 30 odd blokes out there all over the place. Rugby can be such a fast game it gets very hard to police offside runners. When you say 'miles' however, its obvoiusly a problem that needs fixing...but little things like flankers lurking miles offside well away from the ball do affect play - seconds later that flanker may reach a breakdown he should not have been anywhere near?
"Show me a man or a woman alone and I'll show you a saint. Give me two and they'll fall in love. Give me three and they'll invent the charming thing we call 'society'. Give me four and they'll build a pyramid. Give me five and they'll make one an outcast. Give me six and they'll reinvent prejudice. Give me seven and in seven years they'll reinvent warfare. Man may have been made in the image of God, but human society was made in the image of His opposite number, and is always trying to get back home." - Glen Bateman, The Stand (Stephen King)
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