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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThere is a finite supply of healthcare, kentonio. It has to be rationed somehow. Right now the rationing occurs when doctors refuse to take additional medicaid or medicare patients because it is unprofitable. Switching to a voucher system would increase supply, since people could pay their doctors more for care, encouraging a greater supply of doctors.
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The same thing that happens to people who can't find a medicare doctor: they don't get the healthcare. Obviously. Look, there will always be people who don't get everything they need. The resources don't exist to get the very best for everyone. The question is, how can we allocate those resources, and maximize those resources.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostAww, another funny American who doesn't know what NICE is or what it does. You're cute.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThe same thing that happens to people who can't find a medicare doctor: they don't get the healthcare. Obviously. Look, there will always be people who don't get everything they need. The resources don't exist to get the very best for everyone. The question is, how can we allocate those resources, and maximize those resources.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostSo you support a policy which is likely to lead hundreds of thousands of people to not be able to access the healthcare they need? Which means there's a very good chance many of them will die. Just to clarify, that's what you're supporting right?
EDIT: Well, hundreds of thousands might be a bit high. I would think less than that.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by DinoDoc View PostI'm a person who understands what rationing is and what it means. People either have to pay for it themselves or they don't get it.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThis is true of every single healthcare policy. Stop trying to grab some retarded soundbite and listen to what I'm saying.
Incidentally its not about a soundbite, its about making you actually say you're ok with the actual result, rather than the normal republican habit of hiding away behind some ideological doublespeak. You are supporting something that will kill people who would not die if the policy you support didn't happen. If you're ok with that then fine, but own that.
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Medicaid exists for those who can't afford insurance. The majority of uninsured in the US are self employed business owners who just don't feel like paying for it. Even the democrats admit this. That's why they need the individual mandate to convince people to actually get insurance, though that doesn't seem to be working.
xpostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostPlease demonstrate how this is the case under a universal healthcare system.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Kentonio, can you seriously argue that the current method of medicaid funding is actually more efficient and effective than a voucher system? I'm not even talking about cutting medical benefits. I'm just talking about changing the financial scheme to improve the incentives, which even the biggest proponents of medicaid admit is currently FUBAR.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostIf it weren't, why would rich people in the UK pay for private doctors? There's treatments you can't get unless you pay extra in the UK, same as in the US.
People in the UK do not get private health insurance because they can't get life saving treatments on the NHS, they get private health insurance because it means they get a range of complimentary services and sometimes faster access to specialists.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostKentonio, I will admit that there are people who will die from lack of medical treatment under a voucher medicaid/medicare system if you will admit that this is also true in the UK and everywhere else.
You're talking about a system where if someones bills go over an extremely limited voucher amount, regardless of whats wrong with them, they are left to fend for themselves. Do you not recognize how goddamn barbaric that is? "Oh sorry Mrs Peters, unfortunately we're not going to help treat your cancer, because you had that car accident in January and your voucher is all used up. Ah well, you're just going to have to die in horrific ****ing pain.".
Before you start bringing up emotional posting again btw, what you're missing is that you SHOULD be ****ing well emotional about this stuff. This is real people potentially being left to suffer horribly and die in a modern western democracy. If you can't be emotional about that, then you need a humanity check.
Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostKentonio, can you seriously argue that the current method of medicaid funding is actually more efficient and effective than a voucher system? I'm not even talking about cutting medical benefits. I'm just talking about changing the financial scheme to improve the incentives, which even the biggest proponents of medicaid admit is currently FUBAR.
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