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    Bored Obama caught being a smarmy douchebag?


    Who else, Mr. President?

    John Kass

    July 18, 2012
    When President Barack Obama hauled off and slapped American small-business owners in the mouth the other day, I wanted to dream of my father.

    But I didn't have to close my eyes to see my dad. I could do it with my eyes open.

    All I had to do was think of the driveway of our home, and my dad's car gone before dawn, that old white Chrysler with a push-button transmission. It always started, but there was a hole in the floor and his feet got wet in the rain. So he patched it with concrete mix and kept on driving it to the little supermarket he ran with my Uncle George.

    He'd return home long after dark, physically and mentally exhausted, take a plate of food, talk with us for a few minutes, then flop in that big chair in front of the TV. Even before his cigarette was out, he'd begin to snore.

    The next day he'd wake up and do it again. Day after day, decade after decade. Weekdays and weekends, no vacations, no time to see our games, no money for extras, not even forMcDonald's. My dad and Uncle George, and my mom and my late Aunt Mary, killing themselves in their small supermarket on the South Side of Chicago.

    There was no federal bailout money for us. No Republican corporate welfare. No Democratic handouts. No bipartisan lobbyists working the angles. No Tony Rezkos. No offshore accounts. No Obama bucks.

    Just two immigrant brothers and their families risking everything, balancing on the economic high wire, building a business in America. They sacrificed, paid their bills, counted pennies to pay rent and purchase health care and food and not much else. And for their troubles they were muscled by the politicos, by the city inspectors and the chiselers and the weasels, all those smiling extortionists who held the government hammer over all of our heads.

    I thought about this after I heard what Obama told a campaign crowd the other day, speaking about business owners and why they were successful.

    "You didn't get there on your own," Obama said. "I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

    If you've got a business, you didn't build that? Somebody else made that happen?

    Somebody else, Mr. President? Who, exactly? Government?

    One of my earliest memories as a boy at the store was that of the government men coming from City Hall. One was tall and beefy. The other was wiry. They wanted steaks.

    We didn't eat red steaks at home or yellow bananas. We took home the brown bananas and the brown steaks because we couldn't sell them. But the government men liked the big, red steaks, the fat rib-eyes two to a shrink-wrapped package. You could put 20 or so in a shopping bag.

    "Thanks, Greek," they'd say.

    That was government.

    We didn't go to movies or out to restaurants. Everything went into the business. Uncle George and dad never bought what they could not afford. The store employed people, and the workers fed their families and educated their children and put them through college. They were good people, all of them. We worked together and worked hard, but none worked harder than the bosses.

    It's the same story with so many other businesses in America, immigrants and native-born. The entrepreneurs risk everything, their homes, their children's college funds, their hearts, all for a chance at the dream: independence, and a small business of their own.

    Most often, they fail and fall to the ground without a government parachute. But some get up and start again.

    When I was grown and gone from home, my parents finally managed to save a little money. After all those years of hard work and denying themselves things, they had enough to buy a place in Florida and a fishing boat in retirement. Dad died only a few years later. You wouldn't call them rich. But Obama might.

    Obama's changed. Gone is that young knight drawing the sword from the stone, selling Hopium to the adoring media, preaching an end to the broken politics of the past. These days, he wears a new presidential persona: the multimillionaire with the Chicago clout, playing the class warrior, fighting for that second term.

    And he offers an American dream much different from my father's. Open your eyes and you can see it too. He stands there at the front of the mob, in his shirt sleeves, swinging that government hammer, exhorting the crowd to use its votes and take what it wants.

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    Good soundbite.
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    Obama isn't wrong. No outcome is ever one individuals effort (except Alby's failure). I thought we moved past the fictional works of Horatio Alger.
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    I would tend to go with proximate cause than ultimate cause.
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    It doesn't take much effort to point out the many ways in which what his father and uncle accomplished was aided by the efforts of others, including government. Government built the roads used to get to the store, government ensured that the food sold at the store was safe to eat, government provided a relatively safe environment in which to run such a business so that it wasn't ransacked by vandals every night, etc.

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    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dauphin View Post
    I would tend to go with proximate cause than ultimate cause.
    QFT
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    It doesn't take much effort to point out the many ways in which what his father and uncle accomplished was aided by the efforts of others, including government. Government built the roads used to get to the store, government ensured that the food sold at the store was safe to eat, government provided a relatively safe environment in which to run such a business so that it wasn't ransacked by vandals every night, etc.
    And other companies provide the pens and pencils you use to fill out sheets, microsoft makes your computers, that doesn't mean that it wasn't your individual effort that led to something's creation.
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    Why is it that some business owners are multimillionaires and other work tirelessly to scrape by with a small supermarket? I think that's the point, and the President did not intend to downplay the fact that business owners work hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    And other companies provide the pens and pencils you use to fill out sheets, microsoft makes your computers, that doesn't mean that it wasn't your individual effort that led to something's creation.
    Of course. What Obama should have said was, "You didn't build that alone." I imagine he'd probably rephrase that given the opportunity. Alternatively, he could have meant (but definitely did not clearly articulate), "You didn't build the conditions upon which your success depends." And that's undeniably true. No one knows how to make a pencil, yada yada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    And other companies provide the pens and pencils you use to fill out sheets, microsoft makes your computers, that doesn't mean that it wasn't your individual effort that led to something's creation.
    It means your individual effort would have been insufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
    Vote Romney. Because teamwork is Communism.
    Vote Obama. Because there are no heroes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    Of course. What Obama should have said was, "You didn't build that alone." I imagine he'd probably rephrase that given the opportunity. Alternatively, he could have meant (but definitely did not clearly articulate), "You didn't build the conditions upon which your success depends." And that's undeniably true. No one knows how to make a pencil, yada yada.
    Elizabeth Warren said something very similar a few months ago, and it certainly seemed to me like Obama had co-opted her argument. She definitely thinks that businesses are beneficiaries of government intervention and all that crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    And other companies provide the pens and pencils you use to fill out sheets, microsoft makes your computers, that doesn't mean that it wasn't your individual effort that led to something's creation.
    Is this typical for US college kids ?
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    Whatever, computer software. The point stands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    And other companies provide the pens and pencils you use to fill out sheets, microsoft makes your computers, that doesn't mean that it wasn't your individual effort that led to something's creation.
    Milton Friedman's pencil story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
    Milton Friedman's pencil story.
    I already mentioned that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Is this typical for US college kids ?
    Microsoft does make computer hardware, just not desktop/laptop stuff.

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    I'd never actually heard of Milton Friedman's pencil thing until you mentioned it, Lori. It was just the first thing I thought of because there's a big cup of pencils on my desk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    She definitely thinks that businesses are beneficiaries of government intervention and all that crap.
    They are, as I already pointed out, and you did not refute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    Of course. What Obama should have said was, "You didn't build that alone." I imagine he'd probably rephrase that given the opportunity. Alternatively, he could have meant (but definitely did not clearly articulate), "You didn't build the conditions upon which your success depends." And that's undeniably true. No one knows how to make a pencil, yada yada.
    Without a doubt. The fun part is that Obama is a "clever" guy, but has now made a Bushism or Rumsfeldian logic statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorizael View Post
    I already mentioned that.
    The difference being that Friedman described a process of free enterprise not of governmental oversite. Moreover Milton main point was antithetical to practice of governmental intervention in the picking and choosing of winners in the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
    The difference being that Friedman described a process of free enterprise not of governmental oversite. Moreover Milton main point was antithetical to practice of governmental intervention in the picking and choosing of winners in the market.
    Free enterprise's ability to transform all the raw materials of a pencil into a pencil are quite extraordinary, but it would not function without a foundation laid by the government. Each part is necessary. Too much of one part is bad, of course. Too much lead and scantrons can't read tests. Too much government and Republicans get angry.

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    No one argues that a a civil society is not a necessary precursor. However lost in that precursor is that the hand of government really was built on the taxation of the free market. Thus the free market provided all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
    No one argues that a a civil society is not a necessary precursor. However lost in that precursor is that the hand of government really was built on the taxation of the free market. Thus the free market provided all.
    Chicken and egg. But it was people that provided all, not the free market -- people working together toward common goals. One of the ways in which people can work together manifests itself as the free market; another way is government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
    No one argues that a a civil society is not a necessary precursor. However lost in that precursor is that the hand of government really was built on the taxation of the free market. Thus the free market provided all.
    Colonialism, feudalism, etc etc are decidedly non free market and yet there were businesses and merchants and taxes. Free markets are not a precursor to all economic activity or governmental authority.
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