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    Never mind this theological bollocks...I know how you feel Pax, I am now 35 and it is sometimes hard to see where life is going especially when you feel you are getting a bit older...even if work and everything is going well. Truth is, I don't want to get old and it is hard to know where we are supposed to be at this point in life. I get the impression I am going pretty well, and I think that is all we can hope for in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Miller View Post
    Are you familiar with the assumptions of science?

    One claimed property of God which makes Him unable to be investigated by science is that He is Omniscient. If you gave faeries that property (or some reasonable approximation there of), they would be unprovably scientifically.

    Additionally, due to the 'sufficiently advanced science appears as magic' and 'scientifically proving everything is impossible' means that even if God said 'here I am, probe me' we would still be left without scientific proof that He was God.

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    Seriously Jon. How can you not see that this can be applied to anything? The mere fact that there are unsubstantiated "claimed properties" tells you that it is imaginary. You can say there are a million omniscient gods and demons, just as easily as there are one. Science distinguishes real from imaginary. Do not confuse faith and science.

    Additionally, due to the 'sufficiently advanced science appears as magic' and 'scientifically proving everything is impossible' means that even if God said 'here I am, probe me' we would still be left without scientific proof that He was God.

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    You are abusing that statement. It demonstrates that we may merely lack the means of probing god, but offers no proof that he exists. We may lack the means of probing faeires, but any reasonable person would agree that they don't exist. And a reasonable person would have to make the same claim to god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Miller View Post
    But God isn't an imaginary being.

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    Maybe he meant anime chicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rah View Post
    We have no proof that there isn't a god and you have no proof that there is a god. I kind of hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.
    God exists to you because you believe. More power to you. But when people say god is the answer to everything, I think they're pushing it.
    Now if they said, if you have faith in everything working out and leave god out of it, I don't have the same problem with it. Faith in something has proven to be a powerful thing.
    But it's the FAITH and not the 'in something' that is the important thing.
    This is what's crazy to me, believing everything will work out but leaving God out of it. What exactly do you have faith in? Nothing. You are actually telling people it's ok to have faith in nothing, and saying I shouldn't do the same to PAX.

    Nothing makes less sense than this blind faith optimism that so many believe in today. How can anyone believe in that crap? If you're going to have faith in something use your brain and make some sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaShi View Post
    Science distinguishes real from imaginary.
    Not really. You're assuming in the first place that God isn't real. Because if God exist he can communicate with his creation through other means besides science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    This is what's crazy to me, believing everything will work out but leaving God out of it. What exactly do you have faith in? Nothing. You are actually telling people it's ok to have faith in nothing, and saying I shouldn't do the same to PAX.

    Nothing makes less sense than this blind faith optimism that so many believe in today. How can anyone believe in that crap? If you're going to have faith in something use your brain and make some sense.
    Placebos. End of discussion.
    Some of us have faith in science instead of god. It's the faith part that's important. Using brains and God in the same sentence doesn't help your argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    Not really. You're assuming in the first place that God isn't real. Because if God exist he can communicate with his creation through other means besides science.
    Why would he specifically avoid science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    Not really. You're assuming in the first place that God isn't real. Because if God exist he can communicate with his creation through other means besides science.
    So can Pikachu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rah View Post
    Placebos. End of discussion.
    Some of us have faith in science instead of god. It's the faith part that's important. Using brains and God in the same sentence doesn't help your argument.
    Why do you think everything will be alright by looking at science? That's ridiculous. Science tells us that everything ends tragically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT144 View Post
    Why would he specifically avoid science?
    Because this is the best possible world that could be created. We are better off not knowing his complete nature scientifically and not being able to prove scientifically that he exists. However, if you think about it you know that he exists. I know above everything else, that I exist. The next thing that I know, based on the belief that I exist, is that I was created. If all you know is science you don't even know those two things, but science doesn't tell you that either of those things are false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaShi View Post
    So can Pikachu.
    If you can't tell the difference between believing in God and believing in Pikachu you are a sad case indeed.
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    You're right. I should have said Mew 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    If you can't tell the difference between believing in God and believing in Pikachu you are a sad case indeed.
    One is considered mainstream and the other isn't? If mice were intelligent maybe they would worship Pikachu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribbler View Post
    One is considered mainstream and the other isn't? If mice were intelligent maybe they would worship Pikachu.
    Ummm.. no. It's not just that one is mainstream. This is like talking to my cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    Ummm.. no. It's not just that one is mainstream. This is like talking to my cat.
    There are other differences of course. Pikachu is cuter. God has way too many powers to make a decent story but they get around that by making him inexplicably not use his powers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribbler View Post
    There are other differences of course. Pikachu is cuter. God has way too many powers to make a decent story but they get around that by making him inexplicably not use his powers.
    Have you ever thought about maybe using your brain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    Have you ever thought about maybe using your brain?
    Have you ever thought of using a better argument than "you're stupid!"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribbler View Post
    Have you ever thought of using a better argument than "you're stupid!"?
    I didn't say you were stupid. I said you weren't using your brain. Did you ever think about whether God exists or not? Why? Did you ever think about whether Pickachu exists or not? Use you dang brain dude!
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    So God is more like Santa Claus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribbler View Post
    So God is more like Santa Claus?
    Have you ever contemplated the existence of God, as an adult? If you haven't you are not a thinking person.
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    OMG Kid believes in Pikachu!?

    Well, it's just as plausible as believing in God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBIUS View Post
    OMG Kid believes in Pikachu!?

    Well, it's just as plausible as believing in God!
    You really should just stop trying to read.
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    Ok boy's I'm jumping in here because I have loads of expierence with this one. I married a loner, a gamer, a person who if you left them on a desert island with enough food, movies, , computer games and occasional woman and if you made her blonde and russian and built like a barbie doll he'd be the happiest person in the world! You need to make sure that you are really ready to be in any type of relationship for any length of time because if not you will wind up making yourself and your person miserable.

    I have also been fighting the what if demon and seeing where I've made mistakes in the past. I'm learning that you can't unring the bell and have to take a good hard look at what time you have left in your life and decide exactly how you want to live the remaining time you have left. Make a bucket list if need be. But I must say if at 41 you have never been married or in a really long term realtionship make sure that's really what you want because being the partner for someone who waited so long to do that can be.....well....tedious at times. I would suggest getting a bumping fuzzies buddy then you can have your cake and eat it to so to speak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    If you can't tell the difference between believing in God and believing in Pikachu you are a sad case indeed.
    Actually the sad thing is that you see a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Miller View Post
    I believe that Pax is some type of Christian, which is why Kid's comment was expected (for a Christian).

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    For some reason, I don't think he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rah View Post
    Actually the sad thing is that you see a difference.
    I'm sorry that my ability to see a difference has offended you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidicious View Post
    You really should just stop trying to read.
    Actually Kidoucheous, what I'm getting at is that you might as well believe in Pikachu. I bet you used to believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus as a child, why don't you believe in them know?

    At least you got money for your tooth, or presents at Christmas with them - what concrete and tangible thing have you ever received from God...?

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    When your maturity level reaches that of a 14 year old I will respond to your posts.
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    You just did, Kidoucheous! Or are you saying you think my maturity level have now regressed to your levels so you feel you can converse with me then?
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    On the contrary. It seems that you aren't even mature enough to understand what I said.
    We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them, but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced these murderers. - Martin Luther King Jr. Eulogy for the Martyred Children (1963)

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