Reply With QuoteThe sad thing is that the guy apologized for getting shot in the face.Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider
If it was a savvy move, Obama would have done it sooner. This clearly forced his hand. It may have been a move he planned anyway, but at the very least it disrupted his timing.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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The sad thing is that the guy apologized for getting shot in the face.
"South Africa is a shithole. It used to be a decent place." -Ben Kenobi, sharing his wisdom on world history
Dick Cheney apologized for shooting him in the face, and the guy said he was sorry that it resulted in bad publicity for Cheney and said he still hoped Cheney would go hunting with him.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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oops. I meant Lori but wrote Elok.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
It wasn't savvy, dude; Biden and the resulting press/donor criticism of Obama's ridiculous "evolving views" forced his hand. It may end up being a net positive politically, but that's certainly not clear and this wasn't a proactive announcement on the President's part to put Romney on the spot.
Jesus ****ing Christ, Al.
Really?
He's a ****ing politician, of course he's a liar.
Pro-tip: they all lie. Every. ****ing. One.
Second pro-tip: EVERYONE LIES. You, me, your mom, the Pope, everyone.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
I'm going to pretend I have HC on ignore so I can claim that I didn't see his post scooping my prior argument, rather than admit that I spent too much time fiddling with my wording and consequently posted something with no value-added.
Meh. I'm not convinced Biden had that much to do with it. Polling in favor of gay marriage just tipped over the 50% mark in the past few months; now that it has public support, and he has a clear-cut opponent, it seems like as good a time as any to state his true position.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
FDR had 3 different VP's. I don't know the history on why he went through them, though.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
It seems to be the consensus view amongst the political commentariat. For example...
President Obama endorsed same-sex marriage Wednesday, capping days of frenzied speculation about his views and intensifying pressure from gay campaign donors that began with surprising comments on the issue over the weekend by Vice President Biden.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...WDU_story.html
The first one hated the New Deal and had claimed during the 1932 campaign that Hoover's programs were taking the country toward socialism and he was upset with FDR's court-packing scheme. The second one was a Communist sympathizer.
edit: I meant 1932, not 1928
"South Africa is a shithole. It used to be a decent place." -Ben Kenobi, sharing his wisdom on world history
I think the reason Obama's been hesitant to announce support for gay marriage is that black voters are overwhelmingly against it.
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
My dick is not quite so in the clouds as the rest of me.
Won't matter. Obama's got that.
Hell, Obama giving gay marriage legitimacy might even change the minds of a lot of Blacks on this issue. Obama probably trumps religious upbringing. He's the messiah to liberals, you know.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Nothing to argue with here. To think this will cost Obama the AA vote is lunacy.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
It could reduce turnout on the margins.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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More of them might decide to stay home. But really all I'm saying is that that may have been the line of reasoning as to why it took him this long to say he supports it.
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
To think it might depress AA turnout is not lunacy, though.
edit: Goddammit, HC...
Nah if turnout decreases it'll only be because the Obama hype is less this time out and re-electing the first 'Black' president is not as hype-enticing as electing him the first time. I don't see gay marriage playing much of a role.
The majority of Blacks vote against their social beliefs all the time. Why would this be any different?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Obama clearly ordered Biden to "come out." Obama plays strategies that people don't even get long after he's won.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
So Biden's comment was a product test?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Obama is clearly far smarter and wiser than any of the people in this thread.
"South Africa is a shithole. It used to be a decent place." -Ben Kenobi, sharing his wisdom on world history
Yes, he's playing three-dimensional chess, etc.
Anyone see the Romney comments from today? He said he's not changing his stance and has had the same stance since... he flustered a bit here and paused... 'since I took office'.
What? Was Romney pro-gay marriage before his governorship? Why would he specifically say since he took office after a possibly significant pause?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
In the 5th dimension!
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
Because he's Romney. In the end, Obama's just going to beat him to death with charisma.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
I don't think that it is impossible that this was planned from the start, but there's nothing to support that.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
You'd also have to believe Biden can stick to a script. Occam's Razor, people.
Yup. Romney in 1994:
"As a result of our discussions and other interactions with gay and lesbian voters across the state, I am more convinced than ever before that as we seek to establish full equality for America's gay and lesbian citizens, I will provide more effective leadership than my opponent."
So that explains Romney specifically saying 'since I took office'.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Obama set this up with Biden over a decade ago.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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