NHL Off-season Thread

[Ben Kenobi]

Iggy has been the heart and sole of the Flames.

He's reached the SCF as many times as Luongo. If he's the heart, then he's not doing them much good.

Four to 6 years ago

That was then. This is now. Things change.

Iggy makes a lot of sense for a team with the cap space that wants to make the push for the cup and on a team with a variety of offensive weapons, he could and likely would flourish. It would be a big change to be on a team where the opposition cannot solely focus their defensive plan on stopping him

For about 2 million as a supporting cast, he's not bad. Any more than that and you're wasting money.

BUt the Flames have not been a playoff team and that means changes should be made.

Exactly. It's not as if their troubles are transitory.

[Asher]

Your stupidity warms my heart.

[Flubber]

For about 2 million as a supporting cast, he's not bad. Any more than that and you're wasting money.



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JUst curious Ben but how many guys who have 30 goals in each of lets say the last 5 seasons are currently making 2 million. Lets make it easier-- How many guys with TWO consecutive 30 goal seasons in the last two years make 2 million.

AS usual you go to extremes in your statements so that your statement is laughable

[Kontiki]

You just knew Philly was being way too quiet this off-season:

A person with knowledge of the decision says the Philadelphia Flyers have signed Nashville star defenceman Shea Weber to a 14-year offer sheet worth more than $100-million.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4426978/

[notyoueither]

Very interesting.

There is talk of Philly trading players back to Nashville for a couple of the firsts if Nashville does not match.

It has happened before.

[Ben Kenobi]

JUst curious Ben but how many guys who have 30 goals in each of lets say the last 5 seasons are currently making 2 million. Lets make it easier-- How many guys with TWO consecutive 30 goal seasons in the last two years make 2 million.

Moulson is one, and he makes about 2.5 and is younger than Iginla, on the way up. Eberle put up 35 goals last season on a salary of 1 million.

Iggy at 7 is more than almost all the players who were more productive than him were paid. 2, 2.5 is about right for him at this stage in his career.

AS usual you go to extremes in your statements so that your statement is laughable

Iggy at 7 is batshit insane.

[Asher]

Comparing Iggy to rookies on entry-level salaries. Good stuff.

[Supr49er]

Nash might be a Ranger.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...o-the-rangers/

[Kontiki]

That was pretty much an inevitability.

[Guynemer]

May all be moot if they botch the CBA agreement.

[Flubber]

Moulson is one, and he makes about 2.5 and is younger than Iginla, on the way up. Eberle put up 35 goals last season on a salary of 1 million.

Iggy at 7 is more than almost all the players who were more productive than him were paid. 2, 2.5 is about right for him at this stage in his career.



Iggy at 7 is batshit insane.

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To be clear ...is that zero players you found that have had two consecutive 30 goal seasons and made 2 million or less? I am looking for support for your contention that Iggy is worth only 2. I have not spoken in support of 7 and will not do so.

The focus is 2 million. Let's try it a different way . Please name 5 comparable players who have more than 8 years in the NHL and who make 2 million dollars a year.


Oh and didn't Semin just sign a contract for 7 million ?

[Flubber]

Comparing Iggy to rookies on entry-level salaries. Good stuff.

And even then he had no examples that met even the easier of the two tests I set lol

[Flubber]

Semin at 7 million

Doan.. A quality character guy but 35 years old and is a 20 goal guy... Apparently wants 30 million over 4 seasons... I don't know if anyone will Go for that but apparently 16teams are interested

Paul Gaustad...Shea weber, Paris's, Suter

It seems it's big money for everyone and given this salary inflation,it's looking like Iggy at 7 million is just fine


Oh Ben. How is your list of experienced two million dollar men coming ? Still curious to see even a couple of names lol

[demonbinder]

Very good article about the CBA talks:

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blac...g-for-too-much

I'm worried there won't be any pro hockey this year.

[Sparrowhawk]

I'm worried there won't be any pro hockey this year.

I am worried I will give up trying to follow hockey completely if there is a third work stoppage.

The players make more, the owners make more, the fans pay more and the seats are still full. I know, lets have another work stoppage and see if all the fans come back again

I sincerely hope they work it out and there is no interuption, but if past precedent is any indication, there will be another interuption.

/me

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh Ben. How is your list of experienced two million dollar men coming ? Still curious to see even a couple of names lol

So Iggy's getting the money because he's old?

How many guys with TWO consecutive 30 goal seasons in the last two years make 2 million.

I don't see 'experienced' in your post. Moving the goalposts much?

[Asher]

[Flubber]

Asher

1. He knows I have quit responding to him because of misleading posts such as this one here . This is just the latest example.
2. Do you have much hope for this years flames? I know I am not overly optimistic but maybe if Cervenka,baertschi, Hudler all emerge as good top 6 guys the team could be good. I am just happy they tried changing it up a bit.... I have a full set of season tickets this year
And would actually be reasonably happy if I see a good effort night after night

[Asher]

I have no expectations for them this year.

[notyoueither]

Hall is locked up at $6MM for 7 years.

Let the good times roll!

[Asher]

Isn't that a bit steep/long?

Ah, the new NHL...

[notyoueither]

It may be a risk, but it is eating 3 UFA years (under the current CBA).

If he excels it will be a bargain.

[Sava]

hi
calgary sucks
when's the last time a canadian team won anything?
oh yeah... when mario lemieux had cancer

will there even be a season?

[notyoueither]

Hi.
Yes.
2012.

Yes.

[notyoueither]

Interesting website. It shows a real-time meter of lost salaries due to the lockout.

http://lockoutclock.com/

[Sparrowhawk]

Interesting NYE, I would like to see 3 other calculators however.

One for the owners, and how much they are losing/saving (depending on whether they in a profit or loss situation, and how many of their expenses are fixed).
Another for the cities economies, to show how much this is costing the cities and the workers who depend on the NHL for income (from the people that work at the arenas, parking lots, restaurants nearby, memorabilia and sportswear, etc).
And a third for how much the average fan is saving by not having to pay for NHL games (between tickets, concession and memorabilia). Though I have limited knowledge of people with Season tickets, I know my nephew told me that he still has to pay for his season ticket, in order to keep his seat, and that if there is no season, they will apply the ticket price to next year (which seems so wrong to me...."we arn't having any games, but you still have to pay for your seat").

Anyway, anyone know how the lockout might effect world juniors? It seems that every year some teams keep their junior age players as they need them in their lineup. I would expect this years tournament to have all the junior stars available to play?

[notyoueither]

The players are losing far more than anyone else while this goes on. We can only speculate as to what the owners are collectively losing or saving.

I imagine the world juniors will be star-studded this year.

[Sava]

2012.

[Sava]

The players are losing far more than anyone else while this goes on.

The local economies are losing the most.

Long Island, for instance...

NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly ... "The local economy could lose more than $60 million in visitor spending

from here


Once again, a bunch of billionaires are ****ing up the economy. There's been a lot of that going around.

[notyoueither]

That's not the only thing won in any given year in the league.