Reply With QuoteFirst off, "anti-terrorist laws" cannot say whether anything is "unconstitutional".
Secondly, **** you.
Not even if the anti terrorist laws are saying it will be unconstitutional to deny giving that kind of information ?Originally Posted by The Mad Monk
You yanks have history of totalitarian state activities, so why not now ?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
First off, "anti-terrorist laws" cannot say whether anything is "unconstitutional".
Secondly, **** you.
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work...After eight years of this Administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started... And an enormous debt to boot!" — Henry Morgenthau, Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Treasury secretary, 1941.
Err, that doesn't make a lick of sense.
I bet that McCarthy would understand it
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
No, but politicians can and have
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
Are you drunk again?
Not yet, but working on it
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
You obviously have no idea what McCarthy actually did if you believe there's a parallel here. But given the high odds that you're just a drunk troll, I'm going to stop responding to you.I bet that McCarthy would understand it
Ouch. I gladly admit that I have been trolling in the past and will do such in the future, but I actually didn't had that in mind here. It seems like I have been like a dentist drilling in a sore tooth without sedation
Though, I really don't care much if you USanians doesn't like what I write - I write about how it looks from here (i.e. outside US) and it isn't my problem if you don't like it.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
I will try to muster more appreciation for the highly important Drunk Dane demographic
Don't you guys still have a monarchy or something? What the **** is up with that? Now you might not care what an American thinks of your retarded system of government, but I'm just reporting on the facts as an American sees them (which is of course the only correct way to see them)
Sure, we do have a monarchy. Though, it's more like the german presidency. It doesn't really matter a bit but is more a question about head of state.
That is not true - I'm quite curious about what other people think about our way of organising government. I know that it isn't perfect, but likewise I also know that the alternatives such as the "american way" neither are.Now you might not care what an American thinks of your retarded system of government, but I'm just reporting on the facts as an American sees them (which is of course the only correct way to see them)
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
What is inaccurate about this? The communist witchhunts were a perfect example, and the more recent warrentless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition, state sponsored torture and of course the NDAA allowing the detaining of US citizens without charge.
This doesnt mean that other countries don't also have shitty political systems, but trying to claim the US hasn't acted in a rather totalitarian way on numerous occasions is laughable.
Kentonio: My issue was with the above statement alone, as it literally makes no sense. I won't attempt to defend America's past actions.
Ah fair play.
Yeah, currently it of course doesn't make sense. Problem is that current american legislation has a tendency to degrade rights. kentonio says it quite clear - you have a problem with legislation that deny ordinary people their rights. From that, there really aren't that long to my "prediction".
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
What laws are you talking about?
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
Read post #43
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
No no no. It's not that your prediction is unlikely or anything. It just makes no sense. It makes absolutely no sense for laws to declare an activity unconstitutional. That's simply not the way our system works. There are other ways to degrade our rights, but that's not one of them, because it literally makes no sense.
Lori, you've got to understand the European mindset on constitutions, basic laws, and individual rights. In many European countries, the constitution says what the government MUST do, so for instance it's conceivable for dumping toxic waste to be unconstitutional because of everyone's right to a clean environment.
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
But isn't that the problem with your constitution ? It isn't a de facto legislation but one that are open for interpretation ? You are currently applying laws that most other countries would consider illegal simply because their constitution forbids it.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
That is pure BS.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
No. The constitution has a list of powers that the federal government may exercise, and a list of things it's forbidden from doing
I was half joking. That was a reference to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which has things like protections for labor unions built into it, as well as socialized medicine. I find that kind of ridiculous.That is pure BS.
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
You find it ridiculous that people would codify the right to healthcare into their fundemental rights, instead of the right to carry guns? I think you just summed up the difference between Europe and the US quite nicely.
I find regie kind of ridiculous.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
Yes; it's not about whether guns are more or less worthy than health care, it's that the health care provision is mandating that the government take an action, as opposed to banning the government from taking an action.You find it ridiculous that people would codify the right to healthcare into their fundemental rights, instead of the right to carry guns? I think you just summed up the difference between Europe and the US quite nicely.
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
Exactly, government should be killing people, not helping them.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
What?
How does that have anything to do with my post? Did you even read it? If you did, did you understand it? It's not that complicated.
I come from the land of the ice and snow
From the rust belt where industry won't go
Yes... damn our Constitution and it's clauses that say the government should hold elections, pay politicians, guarantee a republican form of government to every state, ect.
What were we thinking having a Constitution to tell our government what to do? OMG!?!?
"tout comprendre, c'est tout pardonner"
You're just bad at expressing your opinions.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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