The 2012 Off Topic Celebrity Dead Pool

[Wezil]

I'll update tonight.

[Wezil]

We still have this to deal with:

Reports of death

It was reported by Pakistani sources on December 11, 2009 that Abu Yahya al-Libi was killed in a U.S Drone strike in Pakistan; however, later reports identified the man killed as Saleh al-Somali.[23]

On June 5, 2012, U.S. officials confirmed that Libi was among 15 militants killed when a US drone fired four missiles at a militant compound in Mir Ali, North Waziristan.[24] Additionally, The White House later confirmed it.[25]

A senior Pakistan Taliban later told The Daily Telegraph that Libi was not caught in the attack. The commander stated “the vehicle belonged to al-Libi but at the time he wasn’t in the vehicle."[11][12] However, this claim was contradicted by another senior Pakistan Taliban commander who told Reuters Libi was in fact killed.[13]

I'm inclined to award the points but I'm also leaning toward making wanted terrorists ineligible picks in the future.

Thoughts?

[Hauldren Collider]

Terrorists should be eligible, but perhaps a point penalty if their death is questionable?

[Uncle Sparky]

Terrorists and/or freedom fighters and/or Chinese dissidents and/or heads of states we don't currently like and/or Dick Cheney...
A person that might be defined as "Terrorist" in December may be the head of state before the end of the next year and vice versa...
And when did the spelling of vis versa change?

[Guynemer]

Eh, I think it is fine to pick a terrorist, it is only a game after all.

[ColdWizard]

I'd support not allowing terrorists for future picks. Too much uncertainty in the confirmations = too much pain in the ass for the person running the pool.

[Dinner]

RIP Ray Bradbury

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/06/showbi...html?hpt=hp_c1

It looks like that girl will never get her chance to **** Ray Bradbury.

[DaShi]

We still have this to deal with:

Reports of death

It was reported by Pakistani sources on December 11, 2009 that Abu Yahya al-Libi was killed in a U.S Drone strike in Pakistan; however, later reports identified the man killed as Saleh al-Somali.[23]

On June 5, 2012, U.S. officials confirmed that Libi was among 15 militants killed when a US drone fired four missiles at a militant compound in Mir Ali, North Waziristan.[24] Additionally, The White House later confirmed it.[25]

A senior Pakistan Taliban later told The Daily Telegraph that Libi was not caught in the attack. The commander stated “the vehicle belonged to al-Libi but at the time he wasn’t in the vehicle."[11][12] However, this claim was contradicted by another senior Pakistan Taliban commander who told Reuters Libi was in fact killed.[13]

I'm inclined to award the points but I'm also leaning toward making wanted terrorists ineligible picks in the future.

Thoughts?

Again, I contest it. Anyone murdered when we don't know who the murderer is should not be valid, because it may be in violation of rule 21a. Since we can't prove it either way, I suggest allowing one of Ozzy's back up to enter his main list as a replacement.

[Wezil]

I'd support not allowing terrorists for future picks. Too much uncertainty in the confirmations = too much pain in the ass for the person running the pool.

This is the main concern. I don't want to award points only to find out years later that the guy is still alive.

[Wezil]

Again, I contest it. Anyone murdered when we don't know who the murderer is should not be valid, because it may be in violation of rule 21a. Since we can't prove it either way, I suggest allowing one of Ozzy's back up to enter his main list as a replacement.

I'll put this down as a secondary concern.

[Wezil]

Abu Yahya al-Libi was 49 (reported age) and 20th member of Charon's Canoe.

= (171 - 20) + (100 - 49) + 20 (Unnatural Causes Award)
= 222 points for OzzyKP

[Wezil]

Ray Bradbury was 91 and a choice of three teams -

Robert Plomp (14) = (171 - 14) + (100 - 91) = 166 points
MRT144 (16) = 164 points
SlowwHand (18) = 162 points

Little

[Wezil]

Eh, I think it is fine to pick a terrorist, it is only a game after all.

It is just a game but we do keep score for a reason.

[DaShi]

I'll put this down as a secondary concern.

This is not a secondary concern. I'm quite serious. To bend the rules like this would remove legitimacy and fairness from the game. Otherwise, why bother having such rules at all?

[Wezil]

Shall we strike a committee to examine the issue?

Does Ozzy need to provide an alibi for June 4th?

Just what are you asking for here?


edit - btw, Ozzy doesn't have a backup list (he joined late)

[DaShi]

I would support a committee ruling in this instance.

[Wezil]

Alright then,

I presume you insist on being on the committee?

How many others do we need?

[DaShi]

Let's just let the current top 5 decide.

[Guynemer]

If we're going top five, my vote is count it.

[Wezil]

Sure but you do realise the recommendation of this committee will be forwarded to the Judges Panel for a final decision?

[DaShi]

Then the bottom five. Just kidding.

[ColdWizard]

1. U.S. drones in Pakistan are operated by CIA.
2. Former president of NYRA is a terrible choice for CIA cover.

Therefore Ozzy is not in the CIA and thus not violation of rule 21a.

Further, I move that DaShi be hit in the face with banana cream pie.

[Wezil]

That's 3 in favour so far. Still waiting on SlowwHand and OFITG.

DaShi's Motion is not faring well at committee.

[DaShi]

Former president of NYRA is a perfect CIA cover because no one would expect it.

However, I care more about the rules being followed than the outcome of the committee. What I'd like to see is this clarified in the next Pool.

[ColdWizard]

And yet you're suspicious, thus nullifying your own point.

[DaShi]

My point is about the possibility that a player could have violated 21a. In fact, since we can't prove that he did, we can't issue the full penalty under the rulings. However, we also can't prove that he didn't creating a potential loophole in this rule that I'd like to see closed.

[Wezil]

Again, are you asking for an alibi so we know Ozzy didn't drop the drone bomb on that poor terrorist's head?

[Wezil]

I think DaShi should demonstrate he was not in fact in Libya on May 20th.

[Dinner]

Let's just let the current top 5 decide.

Why not the bottom five?

[Sparrowhawk]

Not sure why I am commenting, it is only with some degree of morbid fascination/disgust that I even read this thread, but I seem to keep being drawn back to it :shrug:

This is the main concern. I don't want to award points only to find out years later that the guy is still alive.

You are treating this as a negative, I am thinking more on the positive...couldn't someone theoretically get twice the points if someone on their list dies twice ("confirmed" dead) in the same year? For that matter why stop at twice?

If you are going to further clarify the rules, perhaps you could expand it further to prevent collusion and conspiracy. I would hate to see Ming and Jrabbit kill someone from each others list just to get each other the points (not specifically against the rules as I read them).

/me back to lurker mode