"NFL Football is Back!" 2011 Season Thread

[Donegeal]

And the Bears have solved all there problems at Oline, WR, C and S with the signing of one player!

Roy Williams is now a Bear!

Yes, that's right! Roy Williams and Mike Martz are going to try to relive their Lions glory days together in Chicago!

****!

[-Jrabbit]

"Reuniting with former coach" seems to be a major theme of the free agent frenzy.

[OzzyKP]

And the Bears have solved all there problems at Oline, WR, C and S with the signing of one player!

Roy Williams is now a Bear!

Yes, that's right! Roy Williams and Mike Martz are going to try to relive their Lions glory days together in Chicago!

****!

I hope so. One less issue for the new Lions to worry about.

[Al B. Sure!]

That the trade addressed the needs of the Cardinals moreso than that of the Eagles?

And that is represented how exactly by them making the playoffs as opposed to winning games?

You know full well you were being dishonest because you know all it takes is 7 wins to make the playoffs in the NFC West.

[Al B. Sure!]

And the Bears have solved all there problems at Oline, WR, C and S with the signing of one player!

Roy Williams is now a Bear!

Yes, that's right! Roy Williams and Mike Martz are going to try to relive their Lions glory days together in Chicago!

****!

Another former Cowboy WR, Sam Hurd, has signed with the Bears.

[Ben Kenobi]

And that is represented how exactly by them making the playoffs as opposed to winning games?

DRC for Kolb is actually a step back for the Eagles franchise. They have less now then they did last year.

Arizona got what they needed, a replacement for Warner. They've got the recievers. Filled a large hole.

You know full well you were being dishonest because you know all it takes is 7 wins to make the playoffs in the NFC West.

The only one being dishonest here is you. You may have claimed that they will win more games, I did not.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm struggling to wrap my head around how the Cardinals came out better on this deal when the media consensus is that the Cardinals were nearly fleeced. They get an unproven QB, whom the Eagles did not even need, at the cost of a second round pick and a first round talent at CB.

And how is DRC a step-back? Do you know how atrocious the other CB's were on the Eagles beyond Asante Samuel? They've upgraded the position significantly. The only flaw is DRC isn't that great of a coverage guy and is like a little Asante Samuel in that he's the type to get burned trying to get the pick. Regardless, it's a huge upgrade from Joselio Hanson, Dimitri Patterson, and Jorrick Calvin.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm struggling to wrap my head around how the Cardinals came out better on this deal when the media consensus is that the Cardinals were nearly fleeced. They get an unproven QB, whom the Eagles did not even need, at the cost of a second round pick and a first round talent at CB.

This is the same 'unproven QB who was to lead the Eagles last year. Trading an overrated and unprodective CB is a good trade for them.

[MRT144]

Kolbs actual stats aren't that good.

[Ben Kenobi]

For a player with 19 NFL games? They are better then most at that stage of their career.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm struggling to wrap my head around how the Cardinals came out better on this deal when the media consensus is that the Cardinals were nearly fleeced. They get an unproven QB, whom the Eagles did not even need, at the cost of a second round pick and a first round talent at CB.

And how is DRC a step-back? Do you know how atrocious the other CB's were on the Eagles beyond Asante Samuel? They've upgraded the position significantly. The only flaw is DRC isn't that great of a coverage guy and is like a little Asante Samuel in that he's the type to get burned trying to get the pick. Regardless, it's a huge upgrade from Joselio Hanson, Dimitri Patterson, and Jorrick Calvin.

Just stop. This argument will get no where even though every other person on this thread knows you are right about the trade.

[MRT144]

Al just can't ****ing help himself.

[Sava]

Nice to see you, Sava. Hope all is well.

What are you up to these days?

You too!

GO BEARS

I like your avatar. That art style is cool

[Sava]

And the Bears have solved all there problems at Oline, WR, C and S with the signing of one player!

Roy Williams is now a Bear!

Yes, that's right! Roy Williams and Mike Martz are going to try to relive their Lions glory days together in Chicago!

****!

jesus ****ing christ

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[Al B. Sure!]

Anyway, as was expected, Vince Young is the newest Philadelphia Eagle.

I think Vince Young's career stock just skyrocketed. Young has been quietly efficient the past two years but getting developed by Andy Reid will almost certainly improve his game tremendously.

I would not be shocked to see the Eagles trade him or Vick next year for another king's ransom. Would be off the wall if the Eagles could trade a starting QB every offseason for 3 straight years.

If Young succeeds Vick as the Eagles' QB in a couple years, it would be fascinating that, except for a few years in the mid-90's, the Eagles would have had some of the most mobile QB's in NFL history at the position from Cunningham to (after the turnstile 90's) McNabb to Vick to Young.

[Al B. Sure!]

It's not even next year, it's a 2013 fifth.

Pats play half their downs with a four man line, so I don't see it as that odd. It'd be interesting to see a DL of Ty Warren, Wilfork, Brace, Haynesworth. Lot of beef there.

Scratch that. Ty Warren was released.

[Donegeal]

Sorry Al. VY isn't a developable QB. Atleast not without a 2 years stint in the slammer to wake his sorry ass up.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sorry Al. VY isn't a developable QB. Atleast not without a 2 years stint in the slammer to wake his sorry ass up.

In all honesty, what's wrong with Young's personality? He's not malicious. He's not a guy who hesitates to put a game on his back. He's not a failure as a leader in the sense that he does make those around him better and they follow him (his win-loss record implies he has leadership ability). He's not lazy. What's his problem? He's overly sensitive and he cracks under pressure. He gets booed and he goes on suicide watch. He gets benched and he throws a depressive tantrum and storms out of the locker-room like a jilted lover.

Yes, that's a problem. It can be a big problem. And no coach should approach Young with kiddie gloves on like Jeff Fisher did for the first few years. But, I'd rather take Young's fragile psyche than Leaf's *******-ness or Russell's nonchalance.

I think Young is a lot like McNabb, but a little more extreme, in that he seems to need constant affirmation. At some point, McNabb seemed to channel that sensitivity into having a chip on his shoulder (the way he exploded out the gate after being benched a few years back is a prime example). I think Andy Reid knows how to handle a Vince Young.


Again, I'm a Giants fan, so I'm not seeing this with Iggles glasses on. I respect Andy Reid as a coach and I think he's the best in the league at developing quarterbacks. I see no reason why Vince Young's development on the Eagles won't be a repeat of Mike Vick's. If personality is going to be Young's biggest hurdle to developing into an elite QB, I think Andy Reid can handle that, as well.

[Al B. Sure!]

Anyway, it's a good move for them, regardless. What other backup QB would be a better option? With Young, they have an experienced veteran who can step up if Vick gets hurt, can play the same gameplan as Vick, and they take a flyer on the development of one of the most athletically gifted QB's in the league who does have a 30-17 record as a starter.

Who else out there would be a better fit/opportunity?

[Donegeal]

No coach can develope any player that doesn't want to improve.

Nobody would fit better. It's just that I don't see 'the sky's the limit' with Young just because he is now under Reid's tuteledge.

[Al B. Sure!]

The way Vick exploded sent jaws dropping to the floor. If any coach can develop Vince Young, it'll be Andy Reid. We'll see what happens.

If we had this same discussion last year about Vick, I'm sure you would be saying "It's just that I don't see 'the sky's the limit' with Vick just because he is now under Reid's tutelage".

[Al B. Sure!]

The Jets appear to be out of the Asomugha stakes. Too bad. It would have been fascinating to see how offenses would have dealt with the CB tandem of Revis and Asomugha.

Meanwhile, the Bears, after bringing in the worst hands at WR over the past 3 seasons (look up Roy Williams' drops per target), are going to sign bust Vernon Gholston. The former 6th overall pick has 0 sacks in 3 years in one of the league's best defensive systems. At least he probably no longer commands anywhere near 6th overall pick money.

[Al B. Sure!]

Wow Madness!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/68...es-source-says

Nnamdi Asomugha has agreed to a contract with the Philadelphia Eagles.

The deal is worth $60 million over five years, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

As if they didn't just get DRC from the Kolb trade!

[Al B. Sure!]

And new rookie pay scale

Cam Newton signed for relative peanuts:

The Carolina Panthers and No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton reached an agreement on a four-year deal worth over $22 million that is fully guaranteed, according to a source.

Newton's contract is worth $56 million less in overall money than the St. Louis Rams gave Sam Bradford, last year's No. 1 overall pick, and roughly $28 million less in guaranteed money than Bradford's deal.

It was that savings that allowed the Panthers to re-sign some of their top talent like DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson.

[MRT144]

Thank God. Although I doubt he'll be worth even that.

[Al B. Sure!]

Thank God. Although I doubt he'll be worth even that.

He's probably disappointed in the big shortfall compared to being a #1 pick last year but this will give him a better chance to succeed in Carolina.

The Panthers seem to want to go smashmouth with their offense, bringing in TE's Shockey, Olsen, and Ben Hartsock. Looks like they'll be playing a lot of 2 and 3 TE sets, running the ball, and letting Newton get comfortable with his big TE's. It's not an unfavorable circumstance for a rookie QB, actually.

If Ron Rivera's presence to the Carolina defense is analogous to when Rex Ryan came to NY, Newton may actually do well.

I was very bearish on him previously but the circumstances intrigue me.

[demonbinder]

Bears sign DT Anthony Adams and LB Nick Roach after getting Roy Williams. Still no word on Olin Kreutz, but that also means he hasn't left yet either. They need him there to anchor that line for at least one more year, so they better not lowball him.

They also sign DE Vernon Gholston who was the 6th overall pick in 2008, but hasn't had a sack in three years in the league. Lovie's comment is typical of him: “Is that what happened with the Jets?” Smith deadpanned, refusing to look backwards. “We looked [at Gholston] and saw a talented player…. We’re going to put him in a position where we think he’ll have more success." He goes on to say that he will be a hand down rusher rather than a stand up rusher. I hope that will make a difference, but we've heard that before.

[Al B. Sure!]

The Bears I guess Lovie Smith & Co. are pretty satisfied with how they did last year.

[SlowwHand]

I hate to interrupt your rambling, Al, but I don't think this was noted.

METAIRIE, La. -- Drew Brees has a history with Darren Sproles and didn't hesitate to exploit it when it became clear that Reggie Bush wouldn't be back in New Orleans.

"I pulled out all the stops," Brees said of his effort to attract Sproles, a 5-foot-6 running back and return man who agreed to a four-year, $14 million free-agent deal with the Saints on Thursday.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...a-championship

[-Jrabbit]

Those little guys stick together.