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    How well is Civ 5 selling

    I'm interested to know how well civ 5 is selling in comparison to civ 4. Now that Steam is in use, and piracy is probably minimized compared to CIV4, wouldnt one expect to see significantly increased sales of CIV5? If the enhanced sales are not there, doesnt that result invalidate the whole 'raison d'etre' for using Steam and other DRM that merely annoy and alienate fans of civ who, like me, will not play civ5?
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    I am interested in the numbers as well.

    Steam was chosen not only (or mainly) for the DRM. Also why would you think that there is less piracy? The pirated version of the game was out before the European release date.
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    I read the number 360,000 somewhere a week ago. I think in google news one site reported this. Not sure if it was regional or worldwide. I should have made an article out of it but I didn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpencerH View Post
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    I'm interested to know how well civ 5 is selling in comparison to civ 4. Now that Steam is in use, and piracy is probably minimized compared to CIV4, wouldnt one expect to see significantly increased sales of CIV5? If the enhanced sales are not there, doesnt that result invalidate the whole 'raison d'etre' for using Steam and other DRM that merely annoy and alienate fans of civ who, like me, will not play civ5?
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    There you go:

    A strong performer in September was Civilization V, the turn based strategy title from Firaxis and 2K Games, which apparently managed to move about 350,000 copies to gamers but will not appear in the upcoming NPD chart, which does not include PC only launches.


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    Civ games are also steady sellers-- id wager that most of us will buy expansions and DRM regardless of our feelings over niggling details of the game.

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    That would mean they already made at least 17 million in income so far. Can those QA people be re-hired pretty please with sugar on top? Seems to me they made a penny wise pound foolish decision to fire them. On the other hand, who am I kidding, 99% of those sales would have gone through either way.

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    Now the only thing we would have to know would be the sales figures for Civ IV during its first month
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Og View Post
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    I am interested in the numbers as well.

    Steam was chosen not only (or mainly) for the DRM. Also why would you think that there is less piracy? The pirated version of the game was out before the European release date.
    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I assumed that Steam was a more effective DRM than the previously used Securom. I havent looked for a pirate version since I feel it would be wrong to play CIV without paying for it (after all this isnt my first CIV, I'm not just "trying it out"). I find it hard to believe that 2K is willing to alienate CIV fans who are opposed to Steam without it being a more efficient DRM. I suppose there are other financial kickbacks from Steam to 2K that may explain it.
    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteus_MST View Post
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    Now the only thing we would have to know would be the sales figures for Civ IV during its first month
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    The claim is that Steam is an "improvement" to benefit the players by making it easy to be sure that you have the latest version, yadda yadda. Since Steam is a security threat, I disable my Internet connection before launching the game. [Silly me, I had thought that if you played in "Offline Mode" then Steam would not go out to the Internet, but no, it still does, it just won't try to update your game without your permission.] This way it only stops and prompts me three times before actually launching the game, once to say "Do you know you're in offline mode? Don't you want to go online?" The answer of course is hell no, that's why I have it in offline mode in the first place. Then it asks me if I want to launch the game. Perhaps that's why I launched it? Then it says "Oh no, your game might not be synched to the Steam Cloud. Do you want to continue?" See "Hell No" above.

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    Whatever. Steam is far better than SecuROM. I've never observed ANY of the notifications the above poster is writing about. It and Impulse are both great digital distribution mediums, and I will continue to use them. I've been simply not buying most games that are not distributed on one of those systems. Its the future, baby, boxed games are going to vanish, so get used to steam--

    its here to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpencerH View Post
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    Perhaps I'm wrong, but I assumed that Steam was a more effective DRM than the previously used Securom. I havent looked for a pirate version since I feel it would be wrong to play CIV without paying for it (after all this isnt my first CIV, I'm not just "trying it out"). I find it hard to believe that 2K is willing to alienate CIV fans who are opposed to Steam without it being a more efficient DRM. I suppose there are other financial kickbacks from Steam to 2K that may explain it.
    I think not buying civ5 is the right thing to do, but you did it for the wrong reasons. Steam is not even in top 100 of the problems that this game has right now.
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    Thread update

    From http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales...ivilization-v/

    Sid Meier's Civilization V Sales (PC) Worldwide Sales History
    Week 1 192,874
    Week 2 67,612
    Week 3 36,423
    Week 4 25,928
    Week 5 30,589
    5 Week Total 353,426

    Of those, 235,171 have been sold in the Americas.
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    interesting. would have never guessed us: rest of the world ratio is 2:1.
    also, interesting to note higher sales in the last week. patch effect & dlc?

    any precise sales figures available for IV?

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    I was trying to find similar numbers for the launch of Civ IV, and couldn't... but I didn't really look all that hard.
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    Well done, Ming.

    The biggest factor in going with Steam, beyond stopping PRE-release pirating, is that brick and mortar retail outlets charge a ton of money for shelf space. With Steam, there is no shelf, no charging for physical space. Thus, the cut back to the developer/publisher is much higher. On top of that, in theory, is also a better tool set for community, achievements, MP, mods, patches and so forth.

    There is also another benefit in allowing a test community access to builds without fear of those builds leaking to the public.
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    well until 2008 Civ IV apparently sold 3 mil copies... so if Civ V continues to sell 20 k a week average going forward it will get there in three years... so probably worse sales for Civ V as it already dropped to 30k a week in first month...
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    Sources are required, otherwise comparisons drawn are hyperbole. Civ IV also had multiple expansions and compiled editions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneFootInTheGrave View Post
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    well until 2008 Civ IV apparently sold 3 mil copies... so if Civ V continues to sell 20 k a week average going forward it will get there in three years... so probably worse sales for Civ V as it already dropped to 30k a week in first month...
    I am not sure about that, the overall figure for IV certainly includes expansion packs. I have never seen anything precise about IV figures.

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    I am sure it includes x pacs and other types of IV being sold... still V will have to average about 20k a week to get there, including those moments, and by the comments that we see in the community I think V will sell more live Civ Rev than Civ IV... as the same type of player will like V... did Civ Rev sell better than IV?
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    More than 5 million copies of the Civilization series have been sold, according to Firaxis executives.
    http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2005/11/14/daily33.html

    This quote relates to the sales of Civ 1 through 3, around Nov 15 2005.

    However, on the Civ4.com website Firaxis note they sold 6 million copies so far (Civ1-3). The same goes for a press release.
    http://www.civ4.com/
    http://www.2kgames.com/civ4/pressrelease_02.htm

    Early Nov 2005 Civ4 was #1 sales, and the special edition was #10. I don't remember what the special edition was.

    http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/667/667212p1.html

    March 2005 Civ 4 had sold over a million units
    http://www.neoseeker.com/news/5487-2k-games-announces-sid-meiers-civilization-iv-warlords/

    With over 1.5 million world wide sales to date
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c3To3Dc80VAJ:www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3439123/Sid-Meier-Civilization-IV-Complete-Edition/Product.html+%22civilization+IV%22+sales+figures&cd=6&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=es

    The 1.5M figure relates to the state before Beyond the Sword.

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    I have checked Civ Rev, and to date it has sold about 1.5 million, which is quite good... so it did not sell better than IV, but it sold quite well regardless...
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    Imagine that, for such a bland product. It must be the console generation's merit.

    Following up on my numbers, it seems each Civ sells around 2 Million units across its lifecycle.

    There's a new fountain of income now, with the DLC structure.

    Is it becoming clear to everybody why Steam was chosen?
    1) Makes piracy slightly more difficult (hurray for Firaxis!)
    2) Easy distribution of patches (hurray for customers!)
    3) Marketing platform for DLC's (hurray for Firaxis!)

    This game will not sell the most copies ever, but it will have the largest profit.

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    very likely, and for new players Civ V will be good enough, as they have no expectations, they will be likely to buy DLC's etc... I guess Firaxis is changing the demographics with this release, and it remains to be seen how it plays out... for the time being the population which gets to forums is mostly unhappy ~ 70% or so at Civ Fanatics, who have the largest fanbase posting there... but the target demographic probably does not even go to the forums much...
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    don't be so sure. Most recent poll I saw showed about 60% positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryanw1995 View Post
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    don't be so sure. Most recent poll I saw showed about 60% positive.
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    huh? I'm in TX. I have a buddy who visited china once, however. does that count?

    btw, here is the poll I was talking about. simple "do you like civ 5" poll: 59.25% yes out of ~ 600 votes. And that is with tons of negative info/complaints about it all over the forums.

    Those who are disappointed are just extremely vocal about it. If you want civ 4.5 then play rom/and, I haven't played it yet but from talking to the creator it looks to be pretty awesome.

    of course, that doesn't mean that ciV hasn't been a disappointment for many players. 43% list it the most disappointing civ ever here.
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    oh sorry, i thought you were one of those spambots

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    ok.

    another interesting poll, this one shows 43% think ciV is the worst of the series (with Rev getting lots of votes as well), while 27% think ciV is the best. lol.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...highlight=poll

    I voted for civ 2 as best and civ rev as worst btw.

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