Console Wars VI

[DrSpike]

I never troll and find that allegation risible in the extreme.

And I am holier than thou.

[Asher]

I accept your apology and concession.

[DrSpike]

Very mature of you to admit your error.

[Nostromo]

just

[El_Cid]

Awesome everyone has to like that Wii game!

[DrSpike]

[Asher]

Watch as that title sells tens of millions to the intelligentsia Wii userbase.

[Nikolai]

Bethestda has announced they're working on a mature Wii title and also has two other aces ready. Looking forward to see what that is all about.

[Asher]

UK 360s to get Sky TV service. 20 streaming channels plus video on demand.

[DrSpike]

I hadn't heard about that - could be cool if we get some decent channels for free.

[Asher]

E3 starts tomorrow.

Rumours are very strong MS is announcing a new device, "xYz", which is not a Zune but not an Xbox but somewhere inbetween (sounds like a PSP competitor/DSi?). Probably more like the PSPGo (games are downloaded).

The Xbox motion cam is set to be announced also. All indications are it's even better than the WiiMotionPlus at motion control, and doesn't require stupid controllers to do it.

[Asher]

Big conference so far.

- Xbox Live friends can now watch video/listen to music together, Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style
- Facebook and twitter coming to Xbox 360, including game screenshot sharing
- Metal Gear Solid game coming to the 360 (Metal Gear Solid Rising)
- Xbox Live video Marketplace is now ZuneTV -- 1080p video, starts playing immediately (no download first).
- full body motion capture system

Cue trailer of a kid coming into a living room and playing a kung-fu game by...doing kung-fu.

Family playing racing game by steering imaginary wheel in the air.

Then actually changing the tires with air motions.

Apparently you can scan your own items and then use them in the game. As an example, a kid scans his skateboard.

The camera has facial and voice recognition. A young girl scrolls through some virtual outfits, Minority Report-style.

You'll be able to navigate all menus using the device.

The sensor looks like the one leaked onto the internet. Will sense motion in 3D.

Mattrick: "When it launches, it will work with every Xbox 360 sold, and every Xbox 360 we will sell in the future, including future Xbox models."



"We wanted to make experiences which were accessible to all, but would also offer core gamers a level of control never imagineable before."

Project Natal will have facial recognition, and will scan players' faces and sign them instantly.

"This isn't a game where you end up sitting on the sofa doing some pre-set waggle dance," says Kudo. Take THAT, Nintendo!

Peter Molyneux's coming on stage to show us how it's really done.
"That thing in our hands that has evolved and got more complex" has become "a barrier", he says. Natal will "change the landscape of the games we play". Lionhead has been playing around with it for a while.
In a video, Molynoire introduces us to Milo, a boy who can recognise and interact with us. A virtual boy, obviously.
A girl called Claire is chatting to him. She can tell he's worried about something, says Molynoire. "This is about you meeting a character, a person."
Milo is wandering round a lake along a rocky path. He and Claire chat about going fishing. He throws her some goggles and she puts on some invisible ones.


Milo invites Claire to peer over the edge and down in the water. Her real-life reflection appears in the water. Now that's cool.

She can swish the water with her hand and touch fish, with her real-world movements recognised on-screen. Gosh.



Claire draws a fish on a piece of paper and holds it up to Milo. Natal scans it in and Milo is able to see it. "This is true technology science fiction has not even written about, and this works, now, today," says Molynoire.

The film ends, and real-life Molynoire is back. "We're showing this behind closed doors, at E3, to a selected audience, and they'll be able to meet Milo himself."



And it's over. What would you give that conference out of 10? Mark Rein says, "11; that was over the top."

[Asher]

Another summary:

Beatles game demo, multiple singers now (3 mikes). A lot of time spent on this!
360 has some exclusive downloadable songs for this game apparently (at least All You Need is Love is ... proceeds go to Doctors without Borders)
Also Yoko Ono and Olivia Harrison on-stage
Paul Harrison and Ringo Starr on-stage! Trying to be funny. Trying.
All about showing rather than telling.
Announces no graphs will show 10 brand new games will be shown now that haven't been seen before.
New interface will be shown for online gaming (Home ish?)
First up, Tony Hawk. Thankfully this guy can talk, shows the very high-tech board with infra-red sensors, accellerometers etc. Plenty of difficultly levels to cater for all sorts of skills. Trailer comes up next. The board does look really slick. And the moves you do on them seem to allow you to go quite far into emulating manipulating your board, pretty cool.

Lame, my IGN feed got killed. Switching to G4.tv, which shows Modern Warfare 2 I think, gameplay (someone is playing)`

Two map packs will be released first on 360
SquareEnix up next. Showing the FFXIII demo running on 360 for the first time. As I predicted elsewhere, the game engine is already in development and even up and running, so the previous statement that the 360 version would be worked on only once the PS3 version was done is hereby overruled. They're showing a summons (Odin) not normally available this early but put in just for this presentation.

From here on only exclusives.
Mark Rein presents the first exclusive, an XBLA game called Shadow Complex. It's a room-based side-scroller - or it looks like it, but there is some depths on it actually, you can move into the depth a little sometimes it seems.
Joy Ride, a cartoony Trackmania like game shown next, using the avatars. Scrap that, he calls it a cart-racer. Available this winter. Tracks purchaseable separately?
Game shown next looks like Crackdown 2 or something similar. Looks good. Yep, Crackdown 2.
Left for Dead 2? A zomby game located down-south. Yep. Left 4 Dead 2, November 17, published by Valve.

Ubisoft up next. Conviction, clearly. Fisher, yes. No gameplay to be seen yet. Ah here it comes. Very hardcore now, very 24, very violent. Presentation is slick. Seems like Conviction, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Assasisn's Creed share a lot of tech now. Lot of climbing, but Sam is a much slower game still (allows for nice looking graphics, obviously, lots of lighting effects too). Sound is full of real-time effects. The whole geometry lights up red when you get hurt it seems, rather than a simple flat filter effect. Released this fall.

Forza 3 up next. They're going to show the actual game. Cockpit view confirmed, with free looking around. Lighting inside the car is still weak, but you can flip over! 400 cars / 50 manufacturers, gameplay rewind. Talking up the new community features now. Create and upload high-dev video. They're showing a bunch of cars doing a ballet, driven first by players, then the movie edited from within the game (camera angels, slow motion, etc.). Also one of the cars had a painted hood. Ships this October - ouch GT5 .

Bungie up next. ODST shown, starts with Killzone like intro of landing (Orbital Drop Shock Trooper, obviously. You're a rookie. Two sound suppressed weapons and a visor for low vision circuomstances. Refers to the old Halo 1 pistol, saying that the new one is cooler. Lot of tech ... someone in the G4 comments mentions Metroid Prime as an influence. That could definitely be right. There are some interesting audio flashbacks in the game at that point. Next bit of gameplay looks very familiar with flying enemies, charges to be set, etc. A ladder? Release date 22nd september.
But Bungie have another project to show, Halo Reach ... seems a replay of The Fall of Reach. 2010 release. ODST comes with a Reach multiplayer beta invitation. Too bad for Crackdown 2, but hopefully it can stand on its own legs now.

Alan Wake up next. Script written by a famous best selling author. Everything shown in-game engine. So far the graphics look good - great use of lighting and shadow, there's a darkness enemy that you can actually hurt with your flashlight. Final voice suggests part of these things are in dreams. They make a huge mistake in using a past tense narrative voice - when you're playing the game, you don't want that sense of fatality, that it doesn't matter what you do - you can only fail or not fail playing out the pre-set path and the end is already clearly known. Release Spring 2010.

Games end. Radio stations coming to 360, with radio.fm as an example.
Netflix browsing on 360 confirmed, with direct play.
UK premiere league stuff mentioned on Eurogamer.net repeated here.
Next, VideoLibrary will now be Zune Video. HD library will be upgraded to 1080p, no more downloading but now instant streaming, coming to 18 countries.
Next, you'll be able to share stuff with your friends, like the thing with the Sky deal in the UK. You see a Live party group of avatars, sitting in front of a TV, so you can watch stuff together and chat about it.
Next, Facebook partnership, full integration into xbox live. The Guild Star Felicia Day talks it up. It's very strongly integrated into the NXE, and you can hook up facebook accounts to xbox live accounts. You can basically see almost all the facebook stuff in the NXE - doesn't look too convenient or practical, but it gets more interesting - you can do screenshots from your games straight to facebook.
Also, Twitter integration! You can 'tweet' from your xbox, and watch the live twitters on your screen (scattered in textbox stuff). It's all coming to Xbox Live in the Fall update.

Don Mattrick coming up next. Kojima on stage, Metal Gear for 360. Don makes bad Metal Geal joke, probably by accident. Kojima speaks English, thankfully. Metal Gear Solid: Rising is underway and in development for 360. It's not a Solid Snake game, clearly. Raiden back in the saddle. Don says xbox library is finally complete.

Motion controller coming up! But of course, it's the camera stuff that has been leaked. But they seem to be pretty far ahead with the stuff - you see one on one motion capture for fighting, racing, and all sorts of stuff using voice recognition, code name is Natal and is basically 3d camera detection with voice recognition, face recognition, etc.. Will work with every Xbox 360 (obviously?) and seems to be integrated with the NXE as well. Also showed a skateboard that was scanned in and then used inot a game.
Spielberg brought on stage. Speech summary: Microsoft hasn't invented the wheel, it has invented the 'no wheel at all'

Now we get a live demo to show how far they are. Live demo shows NXE integration, and a type of full body breakout (Ricochet), where you can move to and fro and use all your body to hit (slam, kick, etc.) and bounce back balls, etc. Uses real physics. Pretty good and looks totally exhausting. I like that in a game. They say they'll be able to do this multi-player as well.
Next demo coming up: painting by throwing paint at the canvas. Doesn't look as interesting as the rest.

Final word there is interesting though: development kits are arriving with partners today.

Peter Molyneux up for the final bit it seems. I think he's going to announce a Natal game. Lionhead have been able to play around with this for three months. He's showing Milo, who is a virtual boy you can interact with. He recognises your emotions from your face, and they even do a trick where you draw something on a piece of paper and then give it to him virtually in a very clever way. You can interact with a pond of fish. Etc. There are a lot of ideas from Sony integrated here, but this 3d camera controller seems to be the real deal. My wife is excited about it. This demo is shown live to selected members of the press during E3.

[DrSpike]

Neat. And can't wait for Forza 3.

[DrSpike]

Asher's hero:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle6461767.ece

[Asher]

Guarantee you he has both a schoolgirl pantie fetish and is into autoerotic asphyxiation.

15 years from now, this man's portrait will be next to another article: "How one man killed gaming and marginalized the industry to gimmicky toys".

[DrSpike]

We all know you have his signed poster in your bedroom really.

[flash9286]

Has anybody been playing the 1 vs 100 beta? I haven't been able to get into the main game yet, but I have played some of the extended version of the game. It's pretty cool, I suck at it but the presentation is well done.

[Asher]

NPD May 2009

PlayStation 2 117K
PlayStation 3 131K
Xbox 360 175K
Wii 289.5K

UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED THQ Xbox 360 679.6K
Wii FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 352.8K
EA SPORTS ACTIVE BUNDLE ELECTRONIC ARTS Wii 345.8K
UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED THQ PS3 334.4K
INFAMOUS SONY PS3 175.9K
POKEMON PLATINUM VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA NDS 168.9K
MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 158.3K
PUNCH OUT!! NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 156.9K
X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE UNCAGED ED ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Xbox 360 120.7K
Wii PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Wii 109.8K


Year over year changes:

Wii 675.1K - 289.5K -57%
PS3 208.7K - 131K -37%
360 186.6K - 175K -6%

Wii continues its freefall. 360 keeps its momentum.

[Asher]

http://gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24015

NPD: Microsoft Responds, Claims Xbox 360 'Only Console Growing' In 2009

Responding to a slow sales month as reported by NPD, in which industry revenues dropped 23 percent, Microsoft positioned its Xbox 360 as being the most robust console in 2009.

The company pointed out that Xbox 360 saw a 22 percent year-to-date increase over 2008, the only home console to do so.

Of course, it was still outsold by Wii and Nintendo DS, and on a monthly basis it dropped in May from 2008 -- but Microsoft is correct when it says its system exhibits "the most year-over-year resilience of any console" for the month. With 175,000 sales, it dropped only 6.2 percent from last May, a significantly smaller drop than any of the other systems for which NPD reported data.

Microsoft credits the success on its current $199 price point for its least expensive model, as well as on its game library and Xbox Live, which was recently announced as having exceeded 20 million active users worldwide.

As usual, the library's Metacritic scores were also trumpeted, with Microsoft counting a current-generation-leading total of 142 Xbox 360 games garnering a score of 80 or above.

This month's somewhat surprising sales blockbuster, Yuke's' UFC 2009 Undisputed, also saw its greatest success on Xbox 360, accruing 679,600 sales in only two weeks on sale.

[DrSpike]

A more accurate assessment would that the Wii continues its freefall, and the 360 continues its momentum, but overall the Wii is still winning.

[Asher]

Most people can work out who is winning because they are not arts graduates, and thus are capable of discerning which number is greater than the other.

[Asher]

Wonder what Halo 3's at now...

[DrSpike]

Most people can work out who is winning

You'd think so.

[flash9286]

More bad news for Sony.

Activision CEO Bobby Kotick has warned that the publisher “might have to stop supporting Sony” platforms.

“I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform. It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. Games generate a better return on invested capital on the Xbox than on the PlayStation,” he told The Times.

“They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates are likely to slow,” he added. “If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony. When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support the console — and the PSP too.”

Kotick, who said recently that he was disappointed the platform holders opted not to announce console price cuts at E3, also noted that Activision had paid Sony $500 million in royalties and other goods last year, which “probably still worked out at 400 percent of the profit they made.”

http://www.edge-online.com/news/acti...-sony%E2%80%9D

[Felch]

I just noticed that everyone who joined this site in Sept 2001 is a scourge.

Oerdin, Loraziel, and you. At the very least.

This is suspicious.

[DrSpike]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-Hype-Massacre

An ever funnier one than usual, amongst other things taking a poke at Natal, Wii, and the PS3 exclusives.

[Asher]

Shia LaBeouf on the Wii:

http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/06/...vilization-iv/

Have you checked out the Wii Transformers game?
I haven't been able to play the Wii game because my hand is broken. I've just been playing Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. I would imagine that the Wii experience will be like...I don't mess with the Wii, to be honest with you. It's kind of an amateur console. I'm not into the Wii thing.

What's wrong with the Wii?
This is how in a simple way you can find out if it's a gamer you want to play with. Ask them if they have a Wii. If they say yes, get the f*** out of there.

Is that why you wouldn't play LEGO Star Wars with Megan Fox on the set of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen?
Correct. Who wants to play the Wii version of LEGO Star Wars. I'd rather eat glass.

Also:

What's the last game that really impressed you?
Sid Meier's Civilization.

[Nikolai]

@ a guy who hasn't been impressed by a game since 1989. What a sad life he must have.

[Asher]

Oh please, it's not like he actively lives his life believing in fictitious being and developing a belief system around it.