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    Quarter of Brits think Churchill was myth: poll

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    LONDON (AFP) — Britons are losing their grip on reality, according to a poll out Monday which showed that nearly a quarter think Winston Churchill was a myth while the majority reckon Sherlock Holmes was real.

    The survey found that 47 percent thought the 12th century English king Richard the Lionheart was a myth.

    And 23 percent thought World War II prime minister Churchill was made up. The same percentage thought Crimean War nurse Florence Nightingale did not actually exist.

    Three percent thought Charles Dickens, one of Britain's most famous writers, is a work of fiction himself.

    Indian political leader Mahatma Gandhi and Battle of Waterloo victor the Duke of Wellington also appeared in the top 10 of people thought to be myths.

    Meanwhile, 58 percent thought Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's fictional detective Holmes actually existed; 33 percent thought the same of W. E. Johns' fictional pilot and adventurer Biggles.

    UKTV Gold television surveyed 3,000 people.
    Winston Churchill didn't really exist, say teens

    By Aislinn Simpson
    Last Updated: 1:53am GMT 04/02/2008

    A fifth of British teenagers believe Sir Winston Churchill was a fictional character, while many think Sherlock Holmes, King Arthur and Eleanor Rigby were real, a survey shows.
    # Glory days of the Navy captured by a serving sailor

    The canvass of 3,000 under-twenties uncovered an extraordinary paucity of basic historical knowledge that older generations take for granted.

    Sir Winston Churchill
    A fifth of teens surveyed thought Sir Winston Churchill to be fictional

    Despite his celebrated military reputation, 47 per cent of respondents dismissed the 12th-century crusading English king Richard the Lionheart as fictional.

    More than a quarter (27 per cent) thought Florence Nightingale, the pioneering nurse who coaxed injured soldiers back to health in the Crimean War, was a mythical figure.

    In contrast, a series of fictitious characters that have featured in British films and literature over the past few centuries were awarded real-life status.

    King Arthur is the mythical figure most commonly mistaken for fact - almost two thirds of teens (65 per cent) believe that he existed and led a round table of knights at Camelot.

    Sherlock Holmes, the detective, was so convincingly brought to life in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novels, their film versions and television series, that 58 per cent of respondents believe that the sleuth really lived at 221B Baker Street.

    Fifty-one per cent of respondents believed that Robin Hood lived in Sherwood Forest, robbing the rich to give to the poor, while 47 per cent believed Eleanor Rigby was a real person rather than a creation of The Beatles.

    The study also shows a marked change in how people acquire their historical knowledge these days. More than three-quarters of those polled (77 per cent) admitted they did not read history books, and 61 per cent said that they changed channels rather than watch historical programmes on television.

    Paul Moreton, the channel head of UKTV Gold, which commissioned the poll, said that while there was no excuse for demoting real historical figures such as Churchill, the elevation of mythical figures to real life showed the impact good films could have in shaping the public consciousness.

    "Stories like Robin Hood are so inspiring that it's not surprising people like to believe these characters truly existed," he said.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...history104.xml
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    bleh

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    probably just means the land of millions of jedi adherents has a large sub population that enjoys bsing pollsters for shits and giggles.

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    Must be hard for them to believe a Brit that bad ass existed.
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    Stupid teens...
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    They were too frightened of the truth to release the poll results on Harry Potter.

    On the other hand, any study which gives me license to say "Suck it" to Mobius is, at least in that one respect, a good thing.
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    Cool

    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Must be hard for them to believe a Brit that bad ass existed.

    Here's one of those QFT moments, brought to you by Hallmark.
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    That's just normal from DD though.
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    Elok, saying "Suck it" to Mobius, goes without saying.
    He can suck the big wazoo.
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    Like it was said in another thread, USAians are just a chip of the old block.
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Must be hard for them to believe a Brit that bad ass existed.
    Well, if causing a hundred thousand of your compatriots/allies to be wounded/dead by charging them into badly designed war operations makes you bad-ass, you are qualified to be a Southern USian
    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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    Sick

    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Must be hard for them to believe a Brit that bad ass existed.
    Uhh, except perhaps James Bond?

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    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
    Uhh, except perhaps James Bond?
    Sean Connery while a UK citizen, isn't English. Probably easier to believe in a bad ass Scotsman.
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    I believe Brits are a myth.
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    Interesting hypothesis, how do you explain the posters caliming to be British?
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    It's like the moon landing. Fakes.

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    It makes perfect sense Arrian! Bush needed an ally to invade Iraq so he just invented one! He used the powers granted to him by the patriot act and a device (the same one used in the 1940's to brainwash all American communists into religius fundies) called F.A.K.E. to change the noosphere of the enitre planet!


    In short: I blame Bush for the Britain!
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    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    I'd like to know how the questions were worded here.

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    The saddest thing of all is that some people believe the bullshit that this kind of 'poll' comes up with to grab some newspaper headlines.

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    I routinely lie on polls and census forms.
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    Originally posted by Wezil
    I routinely lie on polls and census forms.
    ...but are you telling the truth now?

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    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
    Originally posted by DinoDoc
    Must be hard for them to believe a Brit that bad ass existed.

    Uhh, except perhaps James Bond?


    Sean Connery while a UK citizen, isn't English. Probably easier to believe in a bad ass Scotsman.
    Excellent trolls sirs.


    Dino - Implying Brits aren't bad ass alone was weak, but Kuci turned it around by implying that James Bond was real. Not to be outdone Dino demonstrates a lack of understanding of that fact and then trumps it with a further lack of understanding - namely that Scots are in fact Brits too.
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    Churchill

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    Wink

    Originally posted by Dauphin
    namely that Scots are in fact Brits too.
    Bah! Next you'll tell me the Welsh aren't overly friendly with livestock. Good day to you!
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    I think there may be a clue here:

    "UKTV Gold television surveyed 3,000 people"

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    That's a plenty large sample for a population that size, Spike. Unless you know something about UKTV Gold the rest of us don't.
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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    The quibble was not about the sample size, which appear adequate as you say.

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    Sick

    Originally posted by Dauphin
    Excellent trolls sirs.


    Dino - Implying Brits aren't bad ass alone was weak, but Kuci turned it around by implying that James Bond was real. Not to be outdone Dino demonstrates a lack of understanding of that fact and then trumps it with a further lack of understanding - namely that Scots are in fact Brits too.
    You give me too much credit.

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    Originally posted by Heraclitus
    Interesting hypothesis, how do you explain the posters caliming to be British?
    To understand, you have to grasp this: There is no posters claiming to be British.
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    I'm British.

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    hm

    Originally posted by Elok
    They were too frightened of the truth to release the poll results on Harry Potter.

    On the other hand, any study which gives me license to say "Suck it" to Mobius is, at least in that one respect, a good thing.
    I think you'll find I've been moaning about the rapid dumbing down of our education system for a while - I even did an entire thread about it not so long ago involving a particularly troubling trip to a Subway...

    It's true, in a few years time at this rate our education system will be almost as bad as the US'
    "History is a lie that has been honed like a weapon by people who have suppressed the truth. Centuries from now, your own history will also be suppressed."

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