upgrading unit = losing XP ?

[guermantes]

I had a cool swordsman with triple city raider, combat I and protection against archers as well, with experience points 21/26. Before attacking a city I upgraded him to rifleman but when the turn came to attack he had been demoted to 10/26 XP.

So my simple question is: is this normal? And if so, couldn't they have put it in the manual?

[Will9]

Whenever you upgrade a unit with more than 10 exp it will go back down 10 unless it is a warlord.

[Theben]

Hmmm... pretty sure I've upgraded higher than 10 XP w/o loss of XP. Is this with a patch?

[clarkcd]

It's been that way ever since vanilla. The only change was with warlords being added the units they're attached to not losing their experience.

[Theben]

Your quote is Thomas Jefferson, btw.

[wodan11]

A Warlord unit ignores this and keeps all XP.

Wodan

[Aro]

Originally posted by clarkc "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Ben Franklin

Originally posted by Theben
Your quote is Thomas Jefferson, btw.

Are you sure?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" is printed on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759).
Actually, this phrase is attributed to Franklin. In fact, there is some doubt if he was the original author... . Ben itself denied that he wrote it, only a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly… And the phrase itself was first used in a letter from the Pennsylvania Assembly (November 11, 1755) to the Governor of Pennsylvania. A better candidate could be a diplomat named Richard Jackson, the author of the book, not Jefferson.
According researchers (google the phrase ), the authorship of the motto is not yet resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin. He had written something similar before: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." Of course, the dictum quoted by clarkcd is a better motto, an improved and more literary version...

Besides that, everybody else in the world seems to believe that this is from Ben…

Although they can be wrong.

[clarkcd]

Originally posted by Theben
Your quote is Thomas Jefferson, btw.

In addition to what Aro said our own beloved CIV attributes it to Franklin as well.

[joncnunn]

The wikiquote section of Thomas Jefferson under misatributed to him states that Franklin is believed to have said: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

The closest to this that Jefferson actually did write was "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. "

[Lord Avalon]

You could at least get the quote right (see below).

[guermantes]

Avalon, when the heck did Dwight Shrute say *that*?

[Theben]

*shrug* I've seen it attributed to both Franklin and Jefferson. More often to Jefferson. If I'm wrong, sue me. It won't be the last time.