US special forces 'inside Iran'

[Chemical Ollie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4180087.stm

US commandos are operating inside Iran selecting sites for future air strikes, says the American investigative reporter Seymour Hersh.
In the New Yorker magazine, Hersh says intelligence officials have revealed that Iran is the Bush administration's "next strategic target".

Hersh says that American special forces have conducted reconnaissance missions inside Iran for six months.

But the White House has described his article as "riddled with inaccuracies".

Potential targets include nuclear sites and missile installations, he says.

The New Yorker journalist adds that President Bush has authorised the operations, defining them as military to avoid legal restrictions on CIA covert intelligence activities overseas.

They constitute a revival of a form of covert US military activity used in the 1980s, notably in support of the Nicaraguan Contras.
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[Whaleboy]

Oh dear...

[Berzerker]

Iran Syria.....Iran Syria....mi ni mo

[BeBro]

The article they speak about is here:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact (long read).

If it is true (no idea if it really is) it looks like war against Iran is only a question of time.

[Chemical Ollie]

If it is true (no idea if it really is) it looks like war against Iran is only a question of time.

Do you feel the draft?

[kolpo]

"But the White House has described his article as "riddled with inaccuracies"."

So they are not completely denying it?

If they already had a huge insurgency by liberating a nation ruled by one of the most cruel despots who ever existed how much insurgency would there then not be in semi democratic(they have elections for president and parliament and are more democratic then Pakistan I think) Iran?

Some Iranians might hate the government but no mather how much they hate them there is something they all hate even more: The infidel americans.

Iran is also much bigger then Iraq so where shall they get the 200-400K troops needed to occupy that country?

[BeBro]

They are probably afraid the guy has photos again

[Agathon]

Jesus Christ.

I thought you Americans prided yourselves on being able to overthrow your government because you had the right to bear arms.

Well, there's never been a better time than now - these people are a menace to civilization.

Here's the CNN article:

Journalist: U.S. planning for possible attack on Iran

White House says report is 'riddled with inaccuracies'




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has been carrying out secret reconnaissance missions to learn about nuclear, chemical and missile sites in Iran in preparation for possible airstrikes there, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.

The effort has been under way at least since last summer, Hersh said on CNN's "Late Edition."

In an interview on the same program, White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett said the story was "riddled with inaccuracies."

"I don't believe that some of the conclusions he's drawing are based on fact," Bartlett said.

Iran has refused to dismantle its nuclear program, which it insists is legal and is intended solely for civilian purposes. (Full story)

Hersh said U.S. officials were involved in "extensive planning" for a possible attack -- "much more than we know."

"The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids," he wrote in "The New Yorker" magazine, which published his article in editions that will be on newsstands Monday.

Hersh is a veteran journalist who was the first to write about many details of the abuses of prisoners Abu Ghraib in Baghdad.

He said his information on Iran came from "inside" sources who divulged it in the hope that publicity would force the administration to reconsider.

"I think that's one of the reasons some of the people on the inside talk to me," he said.

Hersh said the government did not answer his request for a response before the story's publication, and that his sources include people in government whose information has been reliable in the past.

Hersh said Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld view Bush's re-election as "a mandate to continue the war on terrorism," despite problems with the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Last week, the effort to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- the Bush administration's stated primary rationale for the war -- was halted after having come up empty.

The secret missions in Iran, Hersh said, have been authorized in order to prevent similar embarrassment in the event of military action there. (Full story)

"The planning for Iran is going ahead even though Iraq is a mess," Hersh said. "I think they really think there's a chance to do something in Iran, perhaps by summer, to get the intelligence on the sites."

He added, "The guys on the inside really want to do this."

Hersh identified those inside people as the "neoconservative" civilian leadership in the Pentagon. That includes Rumsfeld, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith -- "the sort of war hawks that we talk about in connection with the war in Iraq."

And he said the preparation goes beyond contingency planning and includes detailed plans for air attacks:

"The next step is Iran. It's definitely there. They're definitely planning ... But they need the intelligence first."

Emphasizing 'diplomatic initiatives'

Bartlett said the United States is working with its European allies to help persuade Iran not to pursue nuclear weapons.

Asked if military action is an option should diplomacy fail, Bartlett said, "No president at any juncture in history has ever taken military options off the table."

But Bush "has shown that he believes we can emphasize the diplomatic initiatives that are under way right now," he said.

Hersh said U.S. officials believe that a U.S. attack on Iran might provoke an uprising by Iranians against the hard-line religious leaders who run the government. Similar arguments were made ahead of the invasion of Iraq, when administration officials predicted U.S. troops would be welcomed as liberators.

And Hersh said administration officials have chosen not to include conflicting points of view in their deliberations -- such as predictions that any U.S. attack would provoke a wave of nationalism that would unite Iranians against the United States.

"As people say to me, when it comes to meetings about this issue, if you don't drink the Kool-Aid, you can't go to meetings," he said. "That isn't a message anybody wants to hear."

The plans are not limited to Iran, he said.

"The president assigned a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other special forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as 10 nations in the Middle East and South Asia," he wrote.

Under the secret plans, the war on terrorism would be led by the Pentagon, and the power of the CIA would be reduced, Hersh wrote in his article.

"It's sort of a great victory for Donald Rumsfeld, a bureaucratic victory," Hersh told CNN.

He said: "Since the summer of 2002, he's been advocating, 'Let me run this war, not the CIA. We can do it better. We'll send our boys in. We don't have to tell their local military commanders. We don't have to tell the ambassadors. We don't have to tell the CIA station chiefs in various countries. Let's go in and work with the bad guys and see what we can find out.'"

Hersh added that the administration has chipped away at the CIA's power and that newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss has overseen a purge of the old order.

"He's been committing sort-of ordered executions'" Hersh said. "He's been -- you know, people have been fired, they've been resigning."

The target of the housecleaning at the CIA, he said, has been intelligence analysts, some of whom are seen as "apostates -- as opposed to being true believers." (Full story)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/16/hersh.iran/

[Dr Strangelove]

Let's just hope it's not true, or that if it is, that theynwait to implement it after all of our troops are out of Iraq so that there won't be a cadre of Americans near reaching distance of Iranian anger. Oh wait, the special forces troops raiding Iran will be within range of the Iranians during the raids. Maybe we'll get to find out whether or not a Republican government would be able to manage a hostage rescue within Iran any better than Carter's administration did.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie

If it is true (no idea if it really is) it looks like war against Iran is only a question of time.

Do you feel the draft?

Yeah.. I'm sorry.. the window is open.. it is cold outside.

On a serious note, I don't give that report much credibility.. the White House has already said it is full of holes. And we won't need many troops to topple the regime in Iran.

[Winston]

Story looks planted to me. They hope the Iranian leadership will believe a military confrontation is imminent if they get close to having nuclear capability, gradually come to their senses about it, and back down/negotiate for real.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Winston
Story looks planted to me. They hope the Iranian leadership will believe a military confrontation is imminent if they get close to having nuclear capability, gradually come to their senses about it, and back down/negotiate for real.

One word: Libya.

Qadafi came to his senses real fast. And he's more of an idiot then the ayatollahs in Tehran.

[Agathon]

On a serious note, I don't give that report much credibility.. the White House has already said it is full of holes. And we won't need many troops to topple the regime in Iran.

You are joking right?

Story looks planted to me. They hope the Iranian leadership will believe a military confrontation is imminent if they get close to having nuclear capability, gradually come to their senses about it, and back down/negotiate for real.

How would the Americans know if they did or didn't?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Agathon

On a serious note, I don't give that report much credibility.. the White House has already said it is full of holes. And we won't need many troops to topple the regime in Iran.

You are joking right?

Three well trained men and five days is all it would take.

[DinoDoc]

Omg Bush Is Spying On A Hostile Nation! The Horror!

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by General Ludd

Three well trained men and five days is all it would take.

Heck, just send Jack Bauer. I bet he could topple the Iranian government all by himself in 24 hours.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Omg Bush Is Spying On A Hostile Nation! The Horror!

He is spying on the USA?

[Ted Striker]

I read this this morning with a sense of despair.

I wouldn't put it past these guys to do it.

If they do do it, it will be another gross miscalculation.

I cannot believe this, these guys are seriously ****ed up, and if this DOES go down, there will be serious repurcussions, both foreign and domestic. I don't think our domestic population will tolerate another aggressive act, and the internationa community will be beside themselves.

Iran WILL take the gloves off, and if you think Iraq is ****ed right now, the whole region will become a mega ****up if this goes down.

Thanks to Hersh for the warning.

[Ted Striker]

Even more sinister is the Administration control over the CIA, which has been done through purgings. Rumsfeld already owns the Pentagon, now he will own the CIA.

"The president assigned a series of findings and executive orders authorizing secret commando groups and other special forces units to conduct covert operations against suspected terrorist targets in as many as 10 nations in the Middle East and South Asia," he wrote.

Under the secret plans, the war on terrorism would be led by the Pentagon, and the power of the CIA would be reduced, Hersh wrote in his article.

"It's sort of a great victory for Donald Rumsfeld, a bureaucratic victory," Hersh told CNN.

He said: "Since the summer of 2002, he's been advocating, 'Let me run this war, not the CIA. We can do it better. We'll send our boys in. We don't have to tell their local military commanders. We don't have to tell the ambassadors. We don't have to tell the CIA station chiefs in various countries. Let's go in and work with the bad guys and see what we can find out.'"

Hersh added that the administration has chipped away at the CIA's power and that newly appointed CIA Director Porter Goss has overseen a purge of the old order.

"He's been committing sort-of ordered executions'" Hersh said. "He's been -- you know, people have been fired, they've been resigning."

The target of the housecleaning at the CIA, he said, has been intelligence analysts, some of whom are seen as "apostates -- as opposed to being true believers."

[The diplomat]

If the report is true, I don't see what's wrong with it. It does not mean that we are palnning to go to war with Iran. We're just scouting the area in case we do need to make a strike against Iran's nuke facilities.

Besides, Iran has a much stronger connection with Islamic terrorism than Iraq.

[Dinner]

And Seymour Hersh bases this on what? His wishful thinking?

[Ted Striker]

He said the same thing when we were talking about Iraq.

He was going to let diplomacy and then inspections run their course before exercising a miltary option.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Even more sinister is the Administration control over the CIA, which has been done through purgings.

teh McCain gave his approval to ***** slapping the CIA playa.

[Ted Striker]

McCain gave his approval for reprimanding people for accountability reasons, the exact same way he PWN3D Rumsfeld himself.


The Administration is now having people kicked out of the CIA for not falling in line like lemmings. They already did this at the Pentagon.

Big difference.

[Asher]

I'll believe this when CBS has documents to prove it.

[DinoDoc]

They are being printed as we speak.

[Ted Striker]

Hersh was given exclusive access to some of the photographs taken at Abu Gharib before anyone else knew about them:


http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040517fa_fact2


I trust his credibility.

[GePap]

First, SUF.

Second, I would not put up such foolishnes beyond the administration- hitting Iran while we have a lot of assets in Iraq would not be a cost free excercise, specially since thanks to Iraq we hardly have the forces to oust the regime.

[DinoDoc]

SUF?

[Dinner]

Shut Up F*cker?