What's that got to do with anything?Originally posted by asleepathewheel
I doubt more than 5% of Americans have heard the names Monticello and Mount Vernon (in the context of the houses, not towns)
Paul Revere's house is of no historical significance. The two places I mentioned are.
My point was that you picked two places that a very minute portion of the US citizenry care about, much less have heard of.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
What's that got to do with anything?
Paul Revere's house is of no historical significance. The two places I mentioned are.
These people are completely retarded. Cursed are the mothers who gave birth to these vandals.
As for other Americans, I recommend you not to travel abroad for about 300 years, if you wish to be respected as equal. And then some Americans wonder why people "hate them" or "are just plain anti-american"
Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.
- Paul Valery
So?Originally posted by asleepathewheel
My point was that you picked two places that a very minute portion of the US citizenry care about, much less have heard of.
Out of the mouths of 'poly.As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination.
When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular.
-- Oscar Wilde, "Intentions"
If it matters Saddam ruined most of Bablyon in the 1970s. He paved over the original site and created a kind of theme park to attact tourists which was gawdy and looked so fake. I'm sure the tanks and the military base which now occupies the area didn't help and caused further harm but once the tea cup is smashed to bits does it really matter if a few of the bits are crushed further?
"Our scientific power has out run out spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer
My understanding was that people complained that archeological ruins weren't being protected so they built a military base on top of the place. Be careful what you ask for.Originally posted by Sandman
Can someone explain to me the rationale behind using an ancient, precious city as a military base?
"Our scientific power has out run out spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer
They set up there with the publically expressed purpose of "protecting" the site. This clearly does not sound like "protecting" the site. Highly sloppy of the world's supposedly most advanced and organized military.
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To expect more reveals a lack of actual experience with the military and how it really works.
If you want a painting you get a painter, if you want a suit you get a tailor, but don't expect guys who blow **** up to understand real historical artifacts. To say they are unsuitable for the job is an understatement as there are a lot of dumbasses in uniform.
"Our scientific power has out run out spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer
Or that they really need to stop over-selling themselves or risk facing charges of false advertising.
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.
Well, that explains why it took so long for my post to register: You were busy DanS'ing your's.
The commanding officers tell their peons "Touch that building and I break your neck." and that's the end of it. What's so difficult about that?
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.
Naw, politicians over sell and the military guys just keep on blowing stuff up. They know what they're good at.Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Or that they really need to stop over-selling themselves or risk facing charges of false advertising.
"Our scientific power has out run out spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer
Boys and their toys, eh?
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.
The problem is there are no actual period buildings left in the ruins of Babylon nor have there been for thousands of years. All that's left are extremely poor concrete reproductions that Saddam did which aren't even close to the originals (for which few if any detailed discriptions remain) and mounds of earth which actually do contain bits and pieces of ancient life. Like I said Saddam had the place bulldozed in the 1970's to create his very tacky Babylonland theme park which never really contained much real scientific work. The tanks and APCs no doubt crush stuff and I'm sure sand bags were filled and fighting positions created so further damage was done.Originally posted by DRoseDARs
The commanding officers tell their peons "Touch that building and I break your neck." and that's the end of it. What's so difficult about that?
It's more like crying over tiny things now since the sight had already been bulldozed decades ago.
"Our scientific power has out run out spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer
I don't accept that. "Well, Saddam already damaged the site, so we shouldn't care about damaging it some more" is a total bullsh*t way of defending behaviour.
Someone really needs to be held accountable for this. It's an absolute disgrace that this was allowed to happen. War is war, but short of a scud missile hitting their base there's no reason further damage should have happened, certainly not at the hands of USAmerican soldiers.
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.
I doubt anyone is intentionally damaging anything. It comes from daily use and from unskilled laborers who are highered to fill sand bags or hesco barriers. KBR/Halliburtion should have run things better and military commanders at all levels should have cared more but the truth is everyone will only give lip service because they are ordered to give lip service. Unless heads roll no one in the chain of command will do more.
"Our scientific power has out run out spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer
That is unquestionably 'intentional' behaviour. I'm sure there are other examples, but suffice it to say this was a serious muck-up. Someone in the decision-making cirlces needs to be held accountable. Hell, the base commanders should have shown better judgement given they are commanding officers. They have some limited decision-making authority, don't they?Among the damage found by Mr Curtis, who was invited to Babylon by Iraqi antiquities experts, were cracks and gaps where somebody had tried to gouge out the decorated bricks forming the famous dragons of the Ishtar Gate.
The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.
The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.
Protection doesn't equal 'build a base on it'. Unless you're playing Command and Conquer.Originally posted by Oerdin
My understanding was that people complained that archeological ruins weren't being protected so they built a military base on top of the place. Be careful what you ask for.
This base was of little military value; why else would the Poles decide to hand it over to the Iraqi Culture Ministry? It's obviously not a vital supply depot or anything, which begs the question of why it was built in the first place.
Which Oerdin answered: to protect it.
I suppose that's institutional stupidity at work.
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok
It is sad.
I guess since they can't co-opt a dead civilization, the US will destroy it. That way in the distant future they can say they were the first civ on earth, and there will be no evidence to dispute them...
There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.
A pretty common thing, actually.Originally posted by Last Conformist
I suppose that's institutional stupidity at work.
Erm... HyperevilSadamwhojustifiesallatrocitiesthatwedo didnt bulldozed babylon ruins since it was an iraqi national symbol for him. In fact there were occidental archeologist studing there during those works and there were no protests as far as i know.
OTOH it is true that he "restored" in a very uncientific manner. For instance he rebuilt some structures using modern cement and bricks. In the same manner as many paints were "restored" during 19th century and that now must be restored again. Current destruction and pillage is much worse, anyway since it implies to miss forever lots of information, in a scale never seen before.
Some baptists considered Sadam as antichrist because the restored babylon. Maybe now they want to make sure that prophecy not comes true...
Ich bin der Zorn Gottes. Wer sonst ist mit mir?
Incompetence is not an excuse. (even though this administration seems to have different ideas about it)Originally posted by Oerdin
I doubt anyone is intentionally damaging anything. It comes from daily use and from unskilled laborers who are highered to fill sand bags or hesco barriers. KBR/Halliburtion should have run things better and military commanders at all levels should have cared more but the truth is everyone will only give lip service because they are ordered to give lip service. Unless heads roll no one in the chain of command will do more.
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Hmmmmm....
I suppose you all are in favor of a stop order on all constuction projects in Europe, forever.
Whatever the damage the American's did, which apparenty was nothing more than covering things up with gravel and sand, it pails in comparison to the damage Archeologists inflict.
At least now future archeologists have something to dig up again
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Of course it is.Originally posted by Colon
Incompetence is not an excuse. (even though this administration seems to have different ideas about it)
Finally, someone with a little prespectiveOriginally posted bySmiley
and yet another layer is added to the heap. At this point they ought to just leave the base there, someday archaeologists will study the occupation of Iraq.
Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
Another person with ****ed up perspectivesOriginally posted by Bkeela
It's news like this that makes news of US war casualties all the sweeter.
Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
No your point was to insult and not and bring anything to the conversation .Originally posted by asleepathewheel
My point was that you picked two places that a very minute portion of the US citizenry care about, much less have heard of.
Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
Originally posted by Hueij
...not enough to cause as much out pouring of emotion that caused Trajanus to fall into an elipetic fit. Perhaps the priorties of people are a bit skewed. Just like the Taliban blowing up the budda statues. It was sad but not really something I'll lose sleep over.
WTF? Places like these are our heritage. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for them. I have only one word for this... Barbarians
Oh, and thank you BD for another wonderful post.
Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh
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