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    Big Boom in Korea

    http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...ear040911.html

    Explosions caused mushroom cloud over N. Korea: source
    Last Updated Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:14:58 EDT
    SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA - A mushroom-shaped cloud was seen in North Korea last Thursday following a large explosion, a South Korean news agency reported Sunday.

    INDEPTH: North Korea

    The explosion in Kim Hyong Jik county produced a crater large enough to be seen by a satellite, said the Yonhap news agency.

    Kim Hyong Jik is reported to hold a major missile base.

    The cloud measured 3.5 to 4 kilometres in diameter, an unidentified diplomatic source told Yonhap .

    Last Thursday was the founding anniversary of North Korea and some officials believe the communist country may have used the day to conduct a nuclear-related test, but there's no indication that is so.

    South Korea said Sunday it could not yet confirm the reports and a U.S. official said the situation was still unclear.

    Written by CBC News Online staff


    Accident? Test? What?
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    OMG we nuked them!!!

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    Re: Big Boom in Korea


    Accident? Test? What?
    PR move, probably.

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    No one really knows what the hell is going on in there any more, do we?

    Either way, the USA has satellites all over the globe. If Kim Jong Il pops open a can of Pringles, we know about it, so I'm sure it's known and we just aren't telling anyone.
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    Pretty certain that it's a test. Given the timing.

    From earlier today:

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 - President Bush and his top advisers have received intelligence reports in recent days describing a confusing series of actions by North Korea that some experts believe could indicate the country is preparing to conduct its first test explosion of a nuclear weapon, according to senior officials with access to the intelligence.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/in...agewanted=1&hp
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    Above ground test in a crowded country? The Beeb reported the site to be near the Chinese border. I wonder if China will be impressed.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3648794.stm

    Big blast reported in North Korea

    A big explosion rocked a northern province of North Korea near the border with China last week, South Korea's Yonhap new agency is reporting.
    The blast on Thursday was seen from a satellite, Yonhap quoted an unnamed source in Beijing as saying.

    The cause has yet to be determined, the source said.

    In April, an explosion at a railway station in North Korea killed more than 150 people - but Pyongyang only admitted the incident three days later.

    Yonhap quoted a diplomatic source in Seoul as saying a mushroom cloud, with a radius of 3.5-4 kms (2.2-2.5 miles), was spotted in Kimhyungjik county in Yanggang province.

    But Seoul's top negotiator with North Korea, Unification Minister Chung Dong-young, reportedly played down the possibility that it might have been a nuclear weapons' test.

    He said South Korea was trying to get confirmation of the explosion and its effects, Yonhap reported.

    The blast is said to have happened on 9 September, as North Korea marked the 56th anniversary of its founding.
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    No one really knows what the hell is going on in there any more, do we?


    It's not like that such a test is particularly good news for this gov't, so I'm guessing that they probably aren't in that big a rush to advertise it.
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    **** Iraq, we should've gotten NK before it was too late.

    EDIT: Although how long have they had this capability? They are just now testing it, but...
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    bada boom. big bada boom..

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    I would think it would be difficult to hide the aftereffects of a nuclear blast, particularly an open air detonation.
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    Even the Soviets agreed that above ground nuclear tests were to damaging to the enviroment and stopped doing them in the late 1950's. I'm surprised the North Koreans couldn't find a mine shaft or something to put the bomb in before the blew it up.

    Since they could see the crater from space it was likely a nuke test and not an accident.
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    I wonder, how big a bomb makes a 3.5-4 km diameter mushroom cloud?
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    Originally posted by Ramo
    I wonder, how big a bomb makes a 3.5-4 km diameter mushroom cloud?
    Depends on how soon after the detonation the picture is taken. I doubt they have hydrogen bomb technology, and I don't think atomic weapons can get very powerful.
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    Hmmm... apparantly SK's Unification Minister claims that it's unlikely that this was a nuclear weapons test:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973734/
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    How is SK behavior explained? Is there an overwhelming desire to put unification over safety and well-being? Is the South government in league with the North?

    Sorry if I sound like I'm trolling. I ain't. But it just seems ignert to be so careless in approach with Kim.
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    The South Korean media doesn't seem to be too worried about it.

    This is from CNN:

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapc...ast/index.html

    "The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire."

    Right...

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    Found this:

    http://www.nti.org/e_research/cnwm/o...technical3.asp

    The fireball from a 10-kiloton explosion at ground level would reach a radius of 200 meters, hence would have a diameter of 400 meters or about a quarter of a mile. Everything within this radius would be completely destroyed. In the case of a badly designed or badly implemented bomb that yielded only 1 kiloton, the fireball would have a diameter about 2.5 times smaller, hence about 150 meters. The surface explosion of a 100 kiloton weapon, as conceivably might be stolen from the arsenal of an advanced nuclear-weapon state, would produce a fireball 1 kilometer in diameter.


    So this bomb is significantly more energetic than 100 kilotons.
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    Originally posted by Ramo
    Hmmm... apparantly SK's Unification Minister...
    I stopped reading right there. For a whole lot of reasons.

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    True, but at least he's not an anonymous source.
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    How is SK behavior explained? Is there an overwhelming desire to put unification over safety and well-being? Is the South government in league with the North?
    It's the Unification Minister. It's like a Minister for McDonalds advocating eating four Big Macs a day. We know it's wrong, but the Minister isn't going to say otherwise is he?

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    Originally posted by Ramo
    True, but at least he's not an anonymous source.
    It's actually quite a bit worse given the behavior of SK wrt North Korea.

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    If that was a test, was the DPRK trying to piss of China?

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    With an explosion that big, both us and the South Koreans know EXACTLY what happened.

    There is not guessing whatsoever.

    They are just trying to figure out how to either sell it or quiet it down.
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    Might be both -- they may have managed to accidentally pop the nuke before it got to the test site.

    If it was a deliberate, successful test, North Korea would be trumpeting it from the mountaintops, and it seems a little...big...to be anything else.
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    was the DPRK trying to piss of China?
    Indeed, that can't be going well with them.
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    Originally posted by The Mad Monk
    Might be both -- they may have managed to accidentally pop the nuke before it got to the test site.

    If it was a deliberate, successful test, North Korea would be trumpeting it from the mountaintops, and it seems a little...big...to be anything else.
    I like this theory.

    I think they messed something up.

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    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


    Indeed, that can't be going well with them.
    That's why I lean towards the fact it might be an accident. Why would they do something like that? there one last ally?

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    Originally posted by Ramo
    Found this:

    http://www.nti.org/e_research/cnwm/o...technical3.asp

    The fireball from a 10-kiloton explosion at ground level would reach a radius of 200 meters, hence would have a diameter of 400 meters or about a quarter of a mile. Everything within this radius would be completely destroyed. In the case of a badly designed or badly implemented bomb that yielded only 1 kiloton, the fireball would have a diameter about 2.5 times smaller, hence about 150 meters. The surface explosion of a 100 kiloton weapon, as conceivably might be stolen from the arsenal of an advanced nuclear-weapon state, would produce a fireball 1 kilometer in diameter.


    So this bomb is significantly more energetic than 100 kilotons.
    the cloud = the fireball?

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    Lord knows, this is proof positive that we were right to go into Iraq!
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    Some other people said that Hiroshima was 5km on another forum, and that would put this explosion in the 6-10 kiloton range apparently.

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