That Warmonger Gandhi

[xiaodave]

I’m a casual player, but have played Civ II, and AC and picked up Civ III the day it came out. I’ve played 33 games, I play on different maps (standard or higher) and with different rules (sometimes I remove victory conditions that I’ve recently won with) but I always set all of the opponents to random, uncheck culturally linked and set my own civ to random.

Last night the nation of India sneak attacked me for the 25th time. Added to the three times I attacked them in the early going to grab their land means that out of 33 games I have fought India 28 times. Numerically it's just an amazing figure, just having Gandhi pop up randomly in 28 out of 33 games is on the ridiculous side of things. In 33 games I have won via domination only once, so I’m not exactly a conqueror. Clearly the fault in this strained relationship is with this psycho Gandhi.

I have come to the conclusion that Gandhi cultivated this reputation as a man of peace in real world history solely to lull me into a false sense of security. Clearly the man was a fuming-homicidal-Napoleonic wannabe! As I prepare to airlift tanks onto this warmongers continent in order to teach him his 28th lesson I cant help but wonder; has anyone else had repeated problems with one of the AI's. Are there any other psychotic leader-heads out there I should be worried about?



Xiaodave

"I believe this Gandhi chap just swore at me."

"He is scum, we should destroy him, sir."

[Arnelos]

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[pedrojedi]

Gandhi is really a pain in the ***, but the one I really hate is Xerxes. He knows he has good units, he knows how to use them and he knows we all tremble when we see his 30 Immortals coming to say "howdy, please give us your hard-worked, built-out-of-sacrifice-and-tears cities and we leave you with your underwear"

[Cerbykins]

Even worse about Xerxes, the UU gives him the shot an AI player needs to turn -killer- AI... :/
Whenever I lay sight on a killer AI, it's almost certainly Persian...!!!

[spy14]

Xerxes is one of the worst, that UU is a pain, also i'll have problems with the Greeks on a regular basis, and the Arabs

[Arnelos]

I remember playing the original Civilization and always ending up fighting a warmonger Gandhi in the mid/late game.

[vmxa1]

It has been reported that the game no longer does the civs all that randomly.

Never trust India.

[Aqualung71]

Great post xiaodave - very funny

Originally posted by xiaodave
Clearly the fault in this strained relationship is with this psycho Gandhi.

I have come to the conclusion that Gandhi cultivated this reputation as a man of peace in real world history solely to lull me into a false sense of security. Clearly the man was a fuming-homicidal-Napoleonic wannabe!

Yeh, but you gotta love 6-hit point Elite War Elephants!

As I prepare to airlift tanks onto this warmongers continent in order to teach him his 28th lesson.....

Seems like you're becoming one yourself....if you can't beat 'em, join 'em

[Daz]

I see you conquered some of his cities. What did you expect? A hug from him?

[Last Conformist]

It's not Gandhi. It's his evil twin, Genghis Khandhi.

[xiaodave]

Originally posted by Daz
I see you conquered some of his cities. What did you expect? A hug from him?

Those cities were, of course, taken only after Gandhi's unprovoked assault upon native Korean lands. Or to be more accurate, native Iroquois and Carthaginian lands that I had been forced to take administration of. In the past there had been a matter of a similar assault by the Iroquois and another miscommunication with Carthage due to its unwillingness to part with certain rivers and luxuries that we had designated as sovereign Korean territory.

History will show those earlier wars to be completely justified. I have myself consulted the Great Library and the many very objective Korean historians who work there agree with my assessment of the situation. They have also wholly endorsed the use of Korean tanks to bring order and occasional destruction to the Indian continent.

May all of the worlds many divergent monotheistic entities bless the Korean people in our search for peace through selective elimination of rival philosophical agendas.


Xiaodave


"It may have been easier to defeat these elephants if we had brought some of our infantry, sir."

[D4everman]

Gandhi is a maniac in Civ III. I was playing a game a few weeks ago here I foolishly allowed Gandhi to help me eradicate the carthaginians. I didn't want all of Hannibal's cities as the were too far away from my center of influence. Mistake! Gandhi already had a sizable kingdom and we shared the same continent. By letting him get too strong he began bullying me later on in the game. I wanted a spaceship win. But Gandhi turned it into an all out war game, ruining the fun facor for me. Thats why I refuse to let him ever have a big empire again.
Don't get me started about Xerxes. The only time the persians are safe to be around is if they ain't on the same continent.

[Xorbon]

I've rarely had any problems with Gandhi. In fact, playing as Korea in one game, they helped me decimate the evil Zulus near the endgame.

However, I've declared Xerxes to be my arch-nemesis. He has Immortals and he isn't afraid to use them! Peace with Xerxes is of utmost importance before the middle ages. Of course, he doesn't always have access to iron, and when that's the case, I make sure I pay him a visit!

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by xiaodave

...due to its unwillingness to part with certain rivers and luxuries that we had designated as sovereign Korean territory.

again!

xiaodave, make sure you play the next AU game. Good storytelling is warmly appreciated

[Ljube]

Ghandi has never been a problem to me. In fact, I consider him an easy kill.
If he's on my island, I eliminate him sooner or later.
If he's on another island he's a reliable trade partner.

[TheArsenal]

No matter how profitable a trade relationship we may have, or how many enemies we vanquish in alliance, sooner or later Gandhi will turn on me. And since he can’t be contained like most others by simply cutting off the resource to make his UU, I always keep an eye on him.

Xerxes and Mr. Khan are a pain in the a**, but predictable. I can be certain the first diplomatic envoy that arrives on my door from one of them is there to make a demand for something of value. That’s easier to prep for. You see them near you, you start planning their downfall. Gandhi lulls you into a false sense of security before betrayal which can come at anytime.

[xiaodave]

Originally posted by Aqualung71


again!

xiaodave, make sure you play the next AU game. Good storytelling is warmly appreciated

Cool!!!

Excellent, yes, goodness me, but of course.

Hmmmm.

What's an AU game?


Xiaodave

[Theseus]

Welcome aboard...

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[Vince278]

I think Gandhi was intentionally designed to be that way as some kind of in-joke. He would be the last person I'd expect to try to take over the world by force of arms.

[Daz]

Those cities were, of course, taken only after Gandhi's unprovoked assault upon native Korean lands

Of course. I was just kidding (forgot the smiley though).

Sadly, all of the civs tend to attack unprovoked. Hope we see it get fixed in Civ4.

[pedrojedi]

Well, sometimes that happened in the real world past (may I say, a lot of times). So, it would be unrealistic to "fix" that. But yes, this feature is very annoying.

[eris]

Ghandi has often been a scheming warmonger in my games. Not always, but often. When he is not being crude and obnoxious, I have had good luck in being an ally and trading partner with the noble folk of India.

And yes, he will sometimes turn on me, but I expect that from my friends.

Actually the most agressive Ghandi gets is when I am Ghandi ruling the empire of India. I have used the civ to play some satisfying builder games, but many times the play of the game leads to War Elephants all over the place, teaching people the militaristic view of Pacifism. "Surrender, and we can stop fighting."

So, if the gameplay of India tempts me to go into conqueror mode, I am not surprised that the AI is similarly tempted. I may be annoyed when it happens, but not surprised.

"Smile and smile and be a villian" -Shakespeare (approximately quoted)

[Mace]

Originally posted by Daz
Sadly, all of the civs tend to attack unprovoked. Hope we see it get fixed in Civ4.

I agree this should probably be altered in Civ4.

Depending on the AI leader/civ--for a less agressive civ (like India is supposed to be)--something along the lines of, if that AI civ is "Gracious" or "Polite" there should be almost no risk of unprovoked attack. If they're furious or cautious I can see that...

Now with an aggressive civ, like Mongols, etc. then they could do an unprovoked attack even if they are Polite or Gracious.

[vmxa1]

What do you mean by unprovoked? If you mean you have done nothing towards them, that is one thing. What about them needing more land or resources or to win?

Humans go to war for those reason all the time. I just want to have all of this island/cont/world. I just want that coal or that lux.

[Last Conformist]

Speaking of Gandhi, he once prefered to go to war rather than giving me his world map in return for a tech and some gold. Ten turns he was happy to give it up for peace, being content to spend the rest of the game as a two-city civ.

[bongo]

Originally posted by Mace
Depending on the AI leader/civ--for a less agressive civ (like India is supposed to be)--something along the lines of, if that AI civ is "Gracious" or "Polite" there should be almost no risk of unprovoked attack. If they're furious or cautious I can see that...

Now that would be an invitation for human exploits if I ever saw one. Written in 8 feet flaming letters


Unless Civ4 had some memory built into it, so Gandhi will know that you can't be trusted longer than it takes to say 'backstabber', even in new games

[TheArsenal]

Originally posted by vmxa1
What do you mean by unprovoked? If you mean you have done nothing towards them, that is one thing. What about them needing more land or resources or to win?

Humans go to war for those reason all the time. I just want to have all of this island/cont/world. I just want that coal or that lux.

Heh. I would doubt there are few wars as unprovoked as those started by humans. I have gone to war, for example, because I own the near entirely of a continent and I think it would look better on the mini map if it were all one color.

Unprovoked attacks by the AI add some spice. Otherwise it would be far too easy to manipulate the AI and pick them off one by one.

[spy14]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by TheArsenal

I have gone to war, for example, because I own the near entirely of a continent and I think it would look better on the mini map if it were all one color.

Lol. Anyone out there whos not done this?

[bongo]

Or start a war just to spend those useless cavalry-units that *pollutes* the F3-screen

[TheArsenal]

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