I will be the first to reply.
BTW, can some of you "off topicers" talk this up in the off-topic section for me? thanks.
Hate the ad inappropriate ad banners? DO something...
I say lets just show them that their banners are having a reverse affect. From this day forward I vow not to go to a single UGO page until UGO takes the inappropriate ad banners off of Apolyton (that includes GameLeague, maybe I should not say this but, I can not belive that crap like that is on a site I help maintain.) So if you will take this vow with me please respond below. I don't think it would be that hard to get 200+ sigs, and the we can email that to UGO and see what they do. If they leave the banners up after that then the are stupid because that is a lot of money to spend to drive people away from you site.
Those who reply below agree to the fallowing vow.
I, _(name)_, vow not to go to a single UGO page until UGO takes the inappropriate ad banners off of Apolyton.
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BlueWaldo, GameLeague
bluewaldo@hotmail.com
I will be the first to reply.
BTW, can some of you "off topicers" talk this up in the off-topic section for me? thanks.
1) being more specific on which exactly are the "inappropriate" banners would help
2) I hope you're not forgeting that even the "inappropriate" ads are keeping your site alive
The banners are just something that you have to put up with. I assume that they generate revenue for the site, so as Mark points out, they keep the site going. They`re a minor inconvenience at the most.
GP, we would love to be in the financial possibility to have no ads on the site at all or at least choose the ads one by one.
but we're not
Mark: Take a bit more responsibitlity please. it is YOUR site and has the potential to affect YOU since it's youre site as well. It's too easy to say "i have no control over it" . . that doesn't make the problem go away, it's just a cop out. Sure, i know you need the ad revenue, and i KNOW you can't pick the ads. But that's irrelevant.
I, Apathetic Dreamer, vow not to go to a single UGO page until UGO takes the inappropriate ad banners off of Apolyton.
the specific banners that offend ME personally at the moment are
the "robin sliding down the batpole"
"supermans xray glasses"
"the penthouse pets banner"
and the "need a place to store your porn site passwords"
these are NOT apprpriate for a "family" site. If it gets worse, i WILL stop coming to apolyton at all.
and THAT is how it could affect you, so mark and dan, i suggest you start caring.
OK, wait a minute, how many of us actually went to ugo.com anyway? Whether because of the ads or not.
I think the site would look a lot classier without the off-color banners. Markos, by that I mean the ones that were listed a while ago in one of the other threads here. "heavyweight" and those like that one.
well i never did but that is not the point. maybe if they see people that say the ads actully make them want to stay off the site then they will change the ad strat. markos i understand that those ads are keeping my site alive but and i also understand that how much ugo does or does not pay GS has no affect on me since they will still be paying me the same $0 and i asume that if GS stops getting much money from UGO then the will find some one else to display their ads on the top of every page. i for one am willing to try to do something about which i am not supose to be able to do anything about. i am tired of just sitting on my hands while this crap is still on a web site is spent my time making. i do not want a website that is suported by crap like that. and as for the which banners do i find in "inappropriate" i think God gave us all a brain capable of figuring out that a least some of these banners should not be seen by our eyes (at least not my eyes, the eyes of a christian minor). If these sites actully contained what they hint at containing it would be illegal for me to go there. (i hope this message was readable, it is after 2am)
I am sorry mark and dan but i really thought you had higher eithic. i mean i know there have been whose ads but this has been going on for atleast 6 months. you can do nothing??? are you telling me this is the only site in the world that will give you free space and free bandwidth if you let them show about 1 million of their banners per month. i mean for that deal i will buy a web server, let you use it, and put my banners on the top of every page.
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Mark: Take a bit more responsibitlity please.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>when there was a real problem(last case: pop-up) we took action. so, dont tell me that I'm irresponsible
btw, please tell me how many ads on tv have offended you, and how many tv channels you've stopped watching because of their ads
BW, you're geting payed the amount of money you would have to spent to get: (unlimited) space on a webserver, unlimited bandwidth, a subdomain, your own cgi-bin, access to an sql server, an over-featured ubb forum, exposure from apolyton and the rest of the gs network, etc, etc
While I too have griped about the ads on UGO, I have noticed that they seem to be a bit better lately. Ads for the electronics stuff and Spike Radio for example. Perhaps the best way to vote is with your dollar. Go VISIT the good ads and ignore the bad. In a free market the "good" advertisers should make UGO more money and encourage UGO to pursue other "legit" ads. Having said that, are there no other companies that provided that same service as UGO? With all the demographic data that Apolyton has, I would think that ACS is there two ton gorilla that could sit wherever it wants to sit!
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OK, questioning the content of banner ads is one thing, BlueWaldo, but questioning my ethics is another. You are out of line.
If you or anyone else has a beef with an ad you see on ACS, logon onto <A HREF="http://www.ugo.com" TARGET="_new">UGO's website</A> (as I suggsted in another thread) and get a contact name/address and write to them, civily, and voice your concerns.
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Dan; Apolyton CS
sorry dan, i was mad about a few other things at the time also. i am just tried of it going on and on. i am sure most people feel the same way that we understand some stuff happens like this but it has just been going on so long, and i don't like the idea of it being on my site. it just seams like you and mark who have the most power here are ingoring it. you say goto UGO and complain, but they will listen to you long before they listin to us. i just wish you 2 would do something stead of just pushing it of on us. i re-read my message about 30min after i posted it and relised it sounded a little harsher than i ment, but i changed my username so i can not edit it. can you please delete it for me.
markg you point about the tv ads is vaild but not for me because i own gameleague and i do not own abc. i am sorry to make such a big fuss now that they have gotten a little better but it seams when they lot a little better people stoping complaining even though it is still not acceptable. i just don't see the need for ugo to advertise their site in this way, they have other ads that are ok, but they still use these inappropriate ones also. it just kinda bugs me that in a way i am suporting it.
Or you can get Naviscope and block all the adds
Mark: And believe me about the popups, i appreciate your work. However, in THIS case, i do NOT appreciate you not doing something about it. Second, ads like "porn site passwords" or "penthouse pets" wouldn't even make it on network television. And whether I PERSONALLY would watch them is not the point. The point is, if this is supposed to be a family site, then those ads are OUT of line. So, i repeat, take some responsibility.
MarkG wrote:
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</font>GP, we would love to be in the financial possibility to have no ads on the site at all or at least choose the ads one by one. but we're not
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Wow, UGO is the only show in town? You have absolutely no alternatives but accept their ads - every one of them - or fold your site?
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</font>btw, please tell me how many ads on tv have offended you, and how many tv channels you've stopped watching because of their ads
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To be honest, I stopped watching TV altogether, mainly because of the amount of time I had to spend staring at insulting ads., so rest assured some of us take it seriously.
MarkG I hope you wake up and become a bit more concerned because those ads reflect directly on your website. We know you didn't create them, but you've freely chosen to enter a business relationship in which you agree to display them. Most of them are just dumb (Britney Spears), but some are quite tacky (Penthouse, the Batpole), and make me wonder if I'm at the right site.
Banner ads of scantily clad chicks just do not seem in keeping with the crowd you seem to wish to attract to your website. It will do your advertisers little good if people drop away or install ad blocking software.
I appreciate the hard work the entire Apolyton team puts in to make this fine site what it is and know how hard it can be to keep a web site financially stable, but really, you are sullying your site with these tacky ad graphics.
- mindseye
MarkG, that's exactly it. I have stopped watching television entirely except for the Olympics (I can get those on a Canadian channel, and the Canadians do a much better job with that sort of thing.)
P.S. I've also stopped watching the ads on this site. The Proxmitron does a very good job of blocking most of them.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by Richard Cranium (edited July 12, 2000).]</font>
Mark I seem in the vocal minority,but I honestly don't care what banner ads you have, I very seldom even notice them. I am here for civ related content and good forums,I have never been offended by any of the ads. I will continue to use and enjoy Apolyton no matter what advertising methods you choose to support the site.Keep up the good work and thank you for a well run FREE site.
Mark & Dan, I also think you should do something about the inappropriate banner ads. I saw an especially embarassing one(embarassing for your site) two days ago for rouze.com, that had a picture of a woman pulling up her shirt and exposing a good portion of her breasts. Granted, it probably wasn't technically pornographic, but it was awfully close. Do you really want your site to have these images on it?
MarkG,
There are a lot of other sites that have ad banner support. Isn't it possible to get a different type of ad service from UGO or to get a different provider?
I'm not trying to dump on you. You know I'm a loyal Apolytoner. Even wrote you e-mails during my time of being away.
GP, how reasonable does it sound to you to drop our biggest ad provider and/or our host because 5 or 10 of our visitors dont like 5 out of 50 ads that are displayed on the site?
I find it actually a very good thing that every time I see a crappy ad about a Britney Spears music video UGO has to pay Apolyton some money.
MarkG,
Don't do anything rash. But maybe you could just talk to UGO and see if those few ads are high money earners. (I doubt the heaviwieght ads are important since they are from the ad server, not a real end customer.) Also, be really sneaky and see if anybody can give you a better deal. Myabe you could even get more money from a different site.
Don't do anything rash. Just do some reconnaisance.
LightEning, you're talking about this offensive ad that shows the naked face of a woman?
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GP, I probably havent said this enough times: we dont make any deals directly with UGO or anyone else about displaying ads. Gamestats manages anything related to ads for us
We know you do not make he ad choices. but we do know that 1. you have a lot of hit and therefore clearly have a lot of pull with GS. 2. GS is not the only host in the world.
i find in ironic that if some one upload similar pictures as to what apear in the banners onto the forums that post would probally be deleted (like the one with the woman taking her shirt of).
"And now a now a word form our sponsor..."
For whatever reason, the ads seem to be improving. I'm staring at a gear.com ad right now. I off to vote with my time and dollar and click on their banner...
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