The Witch Hunt Revealed

[BeBMan]

Turkey gets pardoned by every pres on a yearly basis

[Kidlicious]

This is an article by Flynn put out around the time he was interviewed by FBI.

Our ally Turkey is in crisis and needs our support




BY LT. GEN. MICHAEL T. FLYNN (R), CONTRIBUTOR2,348TWEET SHARE MOREIt is fair to say that most Americans don’t know exactly what to make of our ally Turkey these days, as it endures a prolonged political crisis that challenges its long-term stability. The U.S. media is doing a bang-up job of reporting the Erdoğan government’s crackdown on dissidents, but it’s not putting it into perspective.

We must begin with understanding that Turkey is vital to U.S. interests. Turkey is really our strongest ally against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), as well as a source of stability in the region. It provides badly needed cooperation with U.S. military operations. But the Obama administration is keeping Erdoğan’s government at arm’s length — an unwise policy that threatens our long-standing alliance.

The primary bone of contention between the U.S. and Turkey is Fethullah Gülen, a shady Islamic mullah residing in Pennsylvania whom former President Clinton once called his “friend” in a well circulated video.

Gülen portrays himself as a moderate, but he is in fact a radical Islamist. He has publicly boasted about his “soldiers” waiting for his orders to do whatever he directs them to do. If he were in reality a moderate, he would not be in exile, nor would he excite the animus of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his government.

For those of us who have closely studied the careers of Seyed Qutb and Hasan al Bana, the founders and followers of the Muslim Brotherhood, Gülen’s words and activities are very familiar.

The late Seyed Qutb in particular was very much in the Gülen mold. The author of 24 books on education and the arts, he assembled an inner circle of intellectuals and influential politicians. But contrary to this well-masked façade, Qutb’s writings provided the inspirationfor terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda. Qutb was hanged in 1966 in Egypt for instigating rebellion.

Likewise, Hasan al Bana, an Egyptian who died in 1949, defined the first phase of pre-emptive jihad as a long and quiet process that can take as long as a quarter of a century, to prepare the forces for a decisive strike. Al Bana famously declared that the only acceptable form of law is Sharia.

To professionals in the intelligence community, the stamp of terror is all over Mullah Gülen’s statements in the tradition of Qutb and al Bana. Gülen’s vast global network has all the right markings to fit the description of a dangerous sleeper terror network. From Turkey’s point of view, Washington is harboring Turkey’s Osama bin Laden.

Washington’s silence on this explosive topic speaks volumes when we hear the incredulous claim that the democratically elected president of Turkey staged a military coup, bombed his own parliament and undermined the confidence in Turkey’s strong economy, just so that he could purge his political opponents.

This baseless claim is a dark reminder of the vicious rumors spread by our enemies that 9/11 was an inside job by the American intelligence apparatus as an excuse to invade Muslim lands to grab their oil!

To add insult to injury, American taxpayers are helping financeGülen’s 160 charter schools in the United States. These schools have been granted more H1-B visas than Google. It is inconceivable that our visa officers have approved thousands of visas for English teachers whose English is incomprehensible. A CBS “60 Minutes” program documented a conversation with one such imported English teacher from Turkey. Several lawsuits, including some in Ohio and Texas, point to irregularities in the operation of these schools.

However, funding seems to be no problem for Gülen’s network. Hired attorneys work to keep the lucrative government source of income for Gülen and his network going. Influential charities such as Cosmos Foundation continue their support for Gulen’s charter schools.

stitute of Minority Muslim Affairs. This institute has promoted the thoughts of radical Muslim thinkers such as Qutb, al Bana and others.

The American public is being lulled into believing that Gülen is a Sufi scholar who promotes the teachings of Rumi, the Persian poet, works to expand interfaith dialogue and does a great job of providing American youth high-quality education in math and science as well as English.

Voices of concern about this shady character are quickly muffled by his vast network of public relations and legal professionals. He has established a false façade that he is a moderate at odds with Turkey’s autocratic leader.

This image is a stark reminder of a great American mistake from another era — one that has raised the cost of international security forever. We all remember another quiet, bearded, elder cleric who sat under an apple tree in Neauphle-le-Château in the suburbs of Paris in 1978.

He claimed to be a man of God who wanted to topple a dictator and return the power to the people. Washington believed him. Sadly, shortly after his rise to power through the Iranian revolution, we watched in horror as our diplomats were taken hostage for 444 days in what was once one of our strongest allies in the Middle East.

e Ayatollah’s terrorists have killed American servicemen and slaughtered Iraqi Sunnis by the thousands, and his brutal Quds Force killed innocent Sunni civilians in Syria. Ultimately, ISIS became the radical Sunni’s response to the mayhem caused by our friendly mullah under the apple tree.

History repeats itself when people repeat the mistakes of the past. It is time we take a fresh look at the importance of Turkey and place our priorities in proper perspective. It is unconscionable to militate against Turkey, our NATO ally, as Washington is hoodwinked by this masked source of terror and instability nestled comfortably in our own backyard in Pennsylvania.

We need to adjust our foreign policy to recognize Turkey as a priority. We need to see the world from Turkey’s perspective. What would we have done if right after 9/11 we heard the news that Osama bin Laden lives in a nice villa at a Turkish resort while running 160 charter schools funded by the Turkish taxpayers?

The forces of radical Islam derive their ideology from radical clerics like Gülen, who is running a scam. We should not provide him safe haven. In this crisis, it is imperative that we remember who our real friends are.



Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn (ret.) is the former director of Defense Intelligence Agency and the author of New York Times Bestseller “The Field of Fight.”

Editor’s Note: On March 8, 2017, four months after this article was published, General Flynn filed documents with the Federal government indicating that he earned $530,000 last fall for consulting work that might have aided the government of Turkey. In the filings, Flynn disclosed that he had received payments from Inovo BV, a Dutch company owned by a Turkish businessman with ties to Turkey's president and that Inovo reviewed the draft before it was submitted to The Hill. Neither General Flynn nor his representatives disclosed this information when the essay was submitted.

[Kidlicious]

I dont care if Flynn talked sanctions with Russia, but I do care if he lied about it...and I care more about what he did on behalf of Turkey. Took their bribe to try and send a dissident living in Pennsylvania back to Turkey. Flynn deserves jail for that.

I don't hear anything about that bribe. If it's just an accusation by CNN or some other fake news I'm not interested in it. Also, if he was just investigated for it I don't want to hear about it.

About the lie, you are talking about lying about a crime that is never prosecuted. In fact, they never charged him for violating the Logan Act. Why would you care about that?

[Berzerker]

I dont care if Flynn talked sanctions with Russia, but I do care if he lied about it...and I care more about what he did on behalf of Turkey. Took their bribe to try and send a dissident living in Pennsylvania back to Turkey. Flynn deserves jail for that.

[Kidlicious]

Well it's three agents that are in trouble IMO. Sztrok is fired, and I don't think that's all of the trouble he's in. Comey is disgraced, fired, and potentially facing legal troubles, and McCabe who is now facing a grand jury.

All were involved in this. But good article. A bit suprising.

[Jon Miller]

While what Kid is yammering about has nothing to do with Mueller's case being a witch hunt, it is useful to read a neutral account of what is going on.

A federal judge on Wednesday ordered both former national security adviser Michael Flynn and the special counsel to turn over additional investigative records describing his January 2017 interview with FBI agents — a conversation in which Flynn later admitted he lied.

In an order filed Wednesday evening, U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan demanded to see the formal FBI records and all other relevant documents detailing Flynn’s interview with the agents in 2017 and agreed to review them under seal.

The judge’s request for more information could delay Flynn’s sentencing, which had been scheduled for Tuesday. He asked for documents to be turned over by Friday at 3 p.m.

Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel, declined to comment. Attorneys for Flynn also declined to comment.

The onetime national security adviser to President Trump pleaded guilty last year to lying to investigators and has been cooperating since then with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

Last week, Mueller told the court he was seeking no prison time for Flynn, describing him as a critical cooperating witness in the special counsel probe and other ongoing investigations.

Sullivan sought more details about Flynn’s FBI interview a day after Flynn’s attorneys in a court filing made their own case for why their client deserved no prison time, stressing that he had been “unguarded” when he spoke to FBI agents about his conversations with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition.

The judge is well known for his concern about defendants receiving fair treatment from the government. He also issues a standard warning to prosecutors to turn over any and all information to a defendant that could be helpful in their defense, including any evidence of government misconduct.

Sullivan famously threw out a jury’s 2008 public corruption conviction of U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens after it was discovered that prosecutors and agents had hid evidence of key government witnesses giving conflicting accounts.

Flynn, who advised Trump during the campaign and transition and served very briefly as his national security adviser, admitted last year that he lied when FBI agents came to his office in the White House four days after Trump’s inauguration to ask about the nature of his conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Flynn demurred about the idea of having a lawyer sit in for the session.

Flynn later admitted that he lied when he told the agents he didn’t discuss sanctions with Kislyak in their call on Dec. 29, 2016, when in fact he had. Flynn’s call with Kislyak took place the same day that President Barack Obama had announced sanctions against Russia as punishment for interfering in the 2016 election process.

FBI agents knew Flynn was lying because the call had been monitored by U.S. intelligence officials.

In a memo seeking leniency in sentencing, Flynn’s attorneys said the former Army lieutenant general’s interview with the FBI needed to be considered in context. They said that the two FBI agents did not warn Flynn he was under investigation and did not question or rebut his account of the conversation with the diplomat, but simply let him continue speaking.

They noted that one of the agents described Flynn as appearing to consider the agents “allies.”

Flynn’s attorneys stressed that he accepted responsibility for his false statement, despite later learning one of the agents who interviewed him had himself been under investigation for misconduct.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal-judge-seeks-documents-related-to-michael-flynns-january-2017-interview-with-fbi-agents/2018/12/12/24cdb7de-fe75-11e8-83c0-b06139e540e5_story.html?utm_term=.d59a60804fcc

[Kidlicious]

****ty article. It doesn't mention anything about the date of the 302 or the trouble McCabe is in for breaking the law and unethical behaviour, or that the agents said that they didn't think Flynn lied.

[Kidlicious]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-pressure.html



So,lets sum it up:
The FBI was not oblieged to tell Flynn about a right to a lawyer because he was not in custody.

That the FBI used coercion to prevent Flynn from getting one involved is nothing but allegations by Flynns lawyers.
And both sides need to present any materials that shed a light into those allegations.

Sounds pretty standard to me and like a sign for a working justice system (something (i.e. the working of the justice system) that Trump constantly tries to bend to his will)
Whether or not there is any truth to these allegations will still have to be shown

I'm not going to go round and round with you like I did Ming. You people are apologists for people like McCabe, who is in front of a grand jury right now for unlawful and unethical behavior. There is something wrong with your personality if you think this is all ethical. All of you are fricked, and I'm getting tired of you people.

Judge Sulivan is primarily looking at the 302s because they are supposed to be completed within 5 days and Mueller did not tell him why the one submitted is dated 7 months after the interview.

So I'm getting sick of all of your excuses for this wrong doing. It's sickening, like talking to Holocaust deniers.

[Proteus_MST]

302s are supposed to be completed within 5 days according to FBI guidelines. The 302 given to judge Sullivan is dated 7 months after the interview.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6491465/Judge-Flynn-case-orders-Mueller-hand-interview-documents-claims-FBI-pressure.html

Flynn's attorneys point the finger at then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe - claiming he pushed Flynn not to have an attorney present for the questioning.

They even go as far as to say the FBI threatened to take the matter to the Justice Department if Flynn were to seek counsel before sitting down with its agents.

'I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only,' McCabe wrote in a memorandum reported by Fox News.

'I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House Counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [General Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants.'

Following the allegations, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan yesterday ordered that both the Mueller investigation and the Flynn team turn over all documents relating to the fateful interview, including all contemporaneous notes, before 3pm Friday.

The FBI was not obliged to make clear to Flynn that he had the right of attorney, because he was not in custody.

However, Sullivan will be trying to determine whether or not agents used coercion to obstruct Flynn's constitutional right.

So,lets sum it up:
The FBI was not oblieged to tell Flynn about a right to a lawyer because he was not in custody.

That the FBI used coercion to prevent Flynn from getting one involved is nothing but allegations by Flynns lawyers.
And both sides need to present any materials that shed a light into those allegations.

Sounds pretty standard to me and like a sign for a working justice system (something (i.e. the working of the justice system) that Trump constantly tries to bend to his will)
Whether or not there is any truth to these allegations will still have to be shown

[Kidlicious]

302s are supposed to be completed within 5 days according to FBI guidelines. The 302 given to judge Sullivan is dated 7 months after the interview.

FBI Violated Policy in Flynn’s Case, Judge Demands All Exculpatory Evidence

By Sara Carter
December 13, 2018 | 1:28 PM EST

Afederal judge overseeing the case of Former National Security Advisor Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is demanding to see the FBI’s first interviews with the retired three-star general after explosive information contained in a sentencing memo released Tuesday night revealed that senior FBI leadership suggested he not have a lawyer present, nor warn him that his interview was subject to penalties if he failed to provide all the answers, according to the 178 page Defendants memorandum submitted to the court.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan ordered Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office Wednesday night to turn over all the government’s documents by mid-day Friday. The exculpatory documents requested by Sullivan include any memorandums regarding Flynn’s case because of the extraordinary circumstances of the information, according to Sullivan’s request. Further, Sullivan is also requesting any documentation regarding the first interviews conducted by former anti-Trump agent Peter Strzok and FBI Agent Joe Pientka -known by the FBI as 302s- which were found to be dated more than seven months after the interviews were conducted on Jan. 24, 2017, a violation of FBI policy, say current and former FBI officials familiar with the process. According to information contained in Flynn’s memorandum, the interviews were dated Aug. 22, 2017.

Anything beyond five business days is a problem, eight months is a disaster.

FBI Supervisory Agent Jeff Danik told SaraACarter.comSullivan must also request all the communications between the two agents, as well as their supervisors around the August 2017 time-frame in order to get a complete and accurate picture of what transpired. Danik, who is an expert in FBI policy, says it is imperative that Sullivan also request “the workflow chart, which would show one-hundred percent, when the 302s were created when they were sent to a supervisor and who approved them.”

“The bureau policy – the absolute FBI policy – is that the notes must be placed in the system in a 1-A file within five days of the interview,” said Danik, who added that handwritten notes get placed into the FBI Sentinel System, which is the FBI’s main record keeping system. “Anything beyond five business days is a problem, eight months is a disaster.”

“In a case of this magnitude there is no question what is going on,” said Danik. “These agents went in the White House and had a case with a possible witness of his stature and didn’t write it up until almost eight months later? That is is unconscionable – it’s not fair to the defendant and absolutely goes against FBI policy.”

Problems and concerns regarding the 302 interview conducted with Flynn wasfirst reported by this reporter in December, 2017, when a former U.S. intelligence official revealed that “the recent revelation that Strzok was removed from the Special Counsel investigation for making anti-Trump text messages it seems likely that the accuracy and veracity of the 302 of Flynn’s interview as a whole should be reviewed and called into question.”

But the policy Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide, known as the DIOG, which was issued Dec. 16, 2008, and updated in 2016, specifies that 302s – which are written records of a subject, witness or victim interview – must be completed within 5 business days unless there are extenuating circumstances. For example, said one former senior FBI official, who spoke on background to this news site, said, for example, a 302 can be delayed if an agent has no access to a computer because they are working in a remote area and cannot submit the paperwork.

In this case, “which was of the highest profile investigation of the FBI, there is no excuse for this to have been delayed by six or seven months” the FBI official added.

In any case, not just a case like Flynn, the handwritten notes are essential and must meet the threshold “to refresh prior recollection,” he said. Those notes have to be placed within the five-day policy period because anything beyond that is subject to memory lapses and according to Danik, as well as several other former FBI officials, the notes must be approved by someone other than the agents who conducted the interview.

[Kidlicious]

Nope ... else Trump never would have been elected ... or at least, would have 0% support by now

You yourself stated that lies are totally O.K. in your book, even if it is towards officers in a federal prosecution

You blame Trump but you just told a lie yourself. What I said was that lying is not unethical if it doesn't harm anyone. That is not a controversial statement. But you try to make it one. And it's to cover up corrupt government, just like JR just blanketing over news reports of facts as some kind of fake news when that's the news he likes, fake.

But I'm not saying anything that's not as plain as day and you will surely follow up with more crap about trump or Fox News.

[Proteus_MST]

Obviously people don't care about lies.

Nope ... else Trump never would have been elected ... or at least, would have 0% support by now

You yourself stated that lies are totally O.K. in your book, even if it is towards officers in a federal prosecution

[Kidlicious]

Obviously people don't care about lies.

[Broken_Erika]

Lies.

That pretty much sums up most(if not all) Federalist and RealClear Articles.

[Kidlicious]

Yeah, RealClear and Federalist both drawing conclusions (actually, crafting interpretations) based on evidence that they don't actually have, or because certain charges were not included in court filings.

Lies.