9/11: We remember

[Hauldren Collider]

We already know you don't know how to read.

Is this the best you can do in terms of retorts? This is pathetic, DaShi, and you should put more effort into your posts. Frankly, Zevico, correct or incorrect, is making extremely rational arguments based on facts and observations, while you sling mud and claim he's being ridiculous. If he's so ridiculous, do you mind explaining why you think so? It's not like he's just making blanket statements with no backing. He's making logical, reasoned arguments and you can't just dismiss him.

[Heraclitus]

[The Mad Monk]

Absolutely.

[MrFun]

Interestingly enough, the Revised Common Lectionary for Sunday had Bible texts all on forgiveness (for those that don't know the RCL picks lectionary of readings for each Sunday based on a three year cycle, all of which was put in place back in 1994 - so this wasn't planned based on a 9/11 anniversary date or anything). I think that will we mourn for the dead, we should do as Jesus did and forgive those who may have been our enemies then, as hard as that may be.

excellent thoughts

[MattBowron]

Thoughts and prayers. Many heroic stories that day, including the story in the WaPo regarding the F16 pilots scrambled and determined to kamikazee themselves (as they had no armaments on board) into United 93 in order to prevent additional attacks. Chilling.


Edit - Good thread Matt. Shame it has been shat upon by the usual suspects.

Thankyou everyone, SlowwHand for your contributions, Uncle Sparky for lighting a candle, Zezminz for your comment on the heroes, Ben Kenobi for your extended list of the victims of this tragic incident, thankyou EPW, Docfeelgood, mrboo123, Pekka, Jrabbit, Nickolai, Asher for your music contribution, MrFun I agree United 93 is a good film about the first Americans fighting back against the terrorists that day, gribbler, Thoth I respect your anger, Az, Barnabas, OzzyKP, DinoDoc, Berzerker, Ogie and Imran, thankyou Zevico for your information, and also to DaShi and DrStrangelove for recognising and also respecting the following victims in the US and overseas that have resulted from the events of 9/11. Peace unto all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Interestingly enough, the Revised Common Lectionary for Sunday had Bible texts all on forgiveness (for those that don't know the RCL picks lectionary of readings for each Sunday based on a three year cycle, all of which was put in place back in 1994 - so this wasn't planned based on a 9/11 anniversary date or anything). I think that will we mourn for the dead, we should do as Jesus did and forgive those who may have been our enemies then, as hard as that may be.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Thoughts and prayers. Many heroic stories that day, including the story in the WaPo regarding the F16 pilots scrambled and determined to kamikazee themselves (as they had no armaments on board) into United 93 in order to prevent additional attacks. Chilling.


Edit - Good thread Matt. Shame it has been shat upon by the usual suspects.

[Dr Strangelove]

Doc, there's a whole thread for your pleasure, please take it there.

This thread is for the 9-11 victims.

Right. The 100,000+ Iraqi dead fit that description. They weren't involved in conducting the attack but they died as a consequence.

[Nikolai]

DaShi, show some respect and go away.

[Berzerker]

rip

[EPW]

3000 people died on 9/11. They died because they were Americans--people who lived in a free and democratic society. The group responsible, its sympathisers, and those who would see America fall for much the same reasons are still at large today. Al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, Hezballah, the Muslim Brotherhood and its equivalents in Gaza, Jordan and Syria--the Middle East is filled with nations and groups who celebrated these attacks and would celebrate them again.

The murder of Bin Laden has created an ideal litmus test for anti-American groups and activities in the region. All of the groups I named above have aligned themselves with the "martyr" Bin Laden. They do so not because the United States is the author of the Middle East's misfortunes. The Middle East's misfortunes are a product of dictatorship, socialism and corruption. They do so because they genuinely believe wish to create an ideal world--an Islamic republic or caliphate, a dicatorship really, where Islam is imposed upon society. And they believe the United Stands in the way. And they are willing to do anything--including mass murder--to achieve their aims. That is the lesson of 9/11.

[edit: correction--Syria's Alawite regime is allied with groups like Hezballah and Iran basically because it wants to stay in power in Syria as Iran and Hezballah prop up their rule there--now directly, if reports of their fighters participating in suppressing the Syrian revolt are true]

[DaShi]

We already know you don't know how to read.

[Zevico]

Here's the Muslim Brotherhood for starters: http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...-laden/238218/

And Hamas (note the usage "holy warrior" Bin Laden):http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...063407,00.html

Iran questions whether the killing even occurred: http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may...-iran-20110503

"Obama and the Democrats are busy with their election campaigns, so it was apparently the best time to announce the killing of Bin Laden," a news reader on state television said.

--and accuses the US of working with him in the same breath:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-death-mixed/

So to be more accurate, Iran viewed Bin Laden as useful, and views his death as an inconvenient victory for the United States. Iran's proxy, Hezballah issued no public statement. But we know they (and Iran) trained Al Qaeda forces in the 1990's: http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organiz...ionship/p11275

More recently Hezballah was caught smuggling weapons in the United States: http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiv...aspx?ID=296046

And who could forget--Syria uses Al Qaeda insurgents to attack Americans in Iraq. http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...ria_becomi.php

So direct condemnation of Bin Laden's murder came from the MB and Hamas. Iran, Syria and Al Qaeda were happy to (at various times) deny his existence, blame the attacks on Americans, and cooperate with him to achieve mutual objectives.

These groups declare themselves to be America's enemies. Ignore them at your peril.

[DaShi]

Who are you?

[MattBowron]

You're a moron. Absolutely no part of that is correct.

No, I just can't believe how ridiculously stupid you are. You claim to be well-read and post something like that. Unbelievable.

Sorry if I made a mistake DaShi, I got confused. I didn't know about the other "memorial" thread until a few moments ago. I just woke up. I give my condolences to the families to the 100,000+ Iraqis and goodness knows how many Afghanis have been killed in the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq since the 9/11 attacks. As the old sayings go "two wrongs don't make a right".