It's about time, and the fancy graphics are good also!

[My Wife Hates CIV]

hahaha I don't know why you're having so many problems. One thing I like about this game is that things DO WORK so well. Yes, you do need auto trade routes working or it becomes too much work for you. It's not hard, read the manual and play around with it. It took me about 15 minutes to figure it out. Read the manual again about mines (there are many different types) and you'll understand why some dry up. Combat is the best. Sure, against the AI it's kinda like CIV II, although still better IMHO.

I don't know why I like it if so many seem to hate it?? I think it's very good. check out...
http://www.anno1602.de/english/index.html

I'm MWHC of course of this board.

[Par4]

I don't know why you aren't having so many problems, everyone else is. The manual says nothing about telling when mines run out, why my logging camp doesn't log, why the fishery doesn't fish, and the ships won't go to auto pick up goods from pine tree island and take them to banana tree island then take goods from banana tree island and bring them back to pine tree island and repeat. It won't do that it it only trade routes auto.

The game sucks but if you want to try it, better make sure the store allows returns for crappy games.

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[Geography Dan]

I bought 1602 just a few days ago, and I agree that it is a great game.

There's just one problem I have:

I always run out of money buying more tools before I get to the point at which I can actually make my own tools. Is there some easy way to solve this that I am overlooking?

[Geography Dan]

However, I also like Pharaoh and Caesar3. Does anyone know when Impressions Games will be making another game? Will it be Caesar4 or Pharaoh2 or some new type?

[Par4]

Zeus: Master of Olympus

Click zee link

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[Geography Dan]

Looks interesting. Thanks for the link.



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[Geography Dan]

Interesting. I checked the link you gave but it didn't say when it would be released. Do you know?


-GeoDan

[Steve Clark]

...and the Pharaoh expansion pack, Cleopatra.
http://cleopatra.impressionsgames.com/

[Caesar Addictus]

quote: Originally posted by Geography Dan on 06-25-2000 01:12 AM I bought 1602 just a few days ago, and I agree that it is a great game. There's just one problem I have: I always run out of money buying more tools before I get to the point at which I can actually make my own tools. Is there some easy way to solve this that I am overlooking?

Hi, this is my favorite game next to Civ II.
I come back to it about as often (even though I still buy new games).

There are many ways to help your financial problems: 1) Create more houses for more population 2) Always raise taxes to the maximum possible before the happy face becomes unhappy. You need to raise the taxes for every category of population that you have (pioneers, settlers, etc). 3) sell stuff (wood, bricks, material, etc) either by offering them for sale to the free traders, or by selling them directly for a better price. 4) Limit how many tools you buy. At first the tools come in so slowly that you would never consider limiting how many you buy, but later they come in quite fast. 5) Here's a good trick. If you start buying tools immediately, you can get away with paying only 75/ton or so. Sometimes I've been able to get all the tools I need for just 67/ton. 6) Start making your own tools as soon as you can. BTW you don't even need an iron ore mine. You can simply buy iron ore from the free traders (again at a cheaper rate than the default -- I buy mine at around 46/ton. That said, I usually do build a mine to get ore faster, besides, the traders don't start selling ore until at least one player has tapped a mine. After my iron mine runs out, I just rely on the trader (the trader is cheaper than a deep mine anyway).

Have fun.

[Leonidas]

I haven't tried 1602 yet - so I have no opinion on the game .

However, I read every review I could get my hands on, and most of these reviews range from somewhat liking the game (3.5 stars out of 5) to completely disliking the game (and giving it a very poor rating). Several issues raised in the reviews involve the lack of documentation for many of the most important economic aspects of the game. Hence player frustration - not knowing what to do. In addition, this game was released in Germany and Europe over two years ago (April 1998) by a German company called Sunflower. Apparently, this game sold very well in Europe. But even so, you would think that all the issues, problems and bugs would have been fixed by now (D'oh).

Also, on its website "Anno 1602", it states that you need the official expansion pack before you can download and play any of the newly made scenarios. But all of the descriptions for the scenarios on this website are in German. If a German company is trying to capture the US/Canada market - then maybe the company should think about translating its product downloads into English - hello << echo >> Is this thing on? << taps microphone >>.

My advice to anyone thinking about buying this game is to try the demo and read the reviews. There are just too many truly excellent games out there to waste your money on any above average games.

To those who love this game (and who are not involved with this product or the company in any way) - all the power to you. But remember, this is not a new game - it is a two year old game that is now being marketed in North America.

Is 1602 better than Civ II? Well, there are so many scenarios available for CivII that it's like having hundreds of games in one. While 1602 plays within the parameters of that century; Civ II's playground spans the entire history of mankind (and often well into the future through user scenarios).

And as far as real-time goes - I have yet to find a real-time game that is truly a thoughtful and strategic game. That is why CivII, CivIII, SMAC, etc will live on...

See... I told you I didn't have an opinion

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[John-SJ]

About Pharoah, Cleopatra.

According to EBWorld it will be released on 7/11, and cost $19.95. Check out http://www.ebworld.com/ebx/categorie...p?pf_id=181762

John-SJ

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[Par4]

PCGamer says about 7/XX too

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[Leonidas]

To help you decide, here are reviews by several people who actually played 1602 AD:

http://www.pcgr.com/reviews/strategy...7.asp?RVNum=-1

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