A Few Questions

[Atahualpa]

Depp: Actually I LOVED Homm3!!! I still love it! The music is awesome and it is quite good balanced!
Homm3 however was the first game i had from the homm series. And I think its the best and most polished and most balanced.
I tried Homm2 but I didnt like it. First of because of the ugly graphics and then because in Homm3 you could do lots more than in Homm2

homm3 ROCKS!!!!
Especially the music and sound stuff! i would rate it a 110% (in the sound section).

The sound is soooo cool! When you enter a inferno city for example. Man it killed me!
This game really killed me.
You know, I just stay there in this city for hours and listen to the music (which repeats of course).
And then change to a dungeon city and listen to the theme there.
The game rocks the game is great the game is awesome!!!!!
Never has there been a game where the sound part was so awesome.

Battles are also fun.
I also did create a small scenario. I play it all the time. Actually its the only map I play.
I created a small map and put loads of resources on it. Above surface the land is divided with a mountain where the red player gets the above land and the blue the beneath. Then there are 2 underground tunnels which connect to the underground where the brown player waits. The brown player has the whole underground for himself. Though that doesnt mean he is the strongest, the prob is that he can be attacked from 2 sides!
And that you cant meet your enemies that soon I have of course installed some special monsters

Most of the stuff is random so the game is different every time you play it. It can be that you have an avantage but it can also be that you have a disadvantage.
Only the AI seems to have some probs with it. Especially the start is real hard! You have to fight some very difficult battles!
Oh and as I dont like to have to much heros the map is designed to play best with only one hero (or 2).

Of course there is a holy grail too and this is by far the biggest advantage you may get! The chance are 25% that you get the grail. 25% that the other player on the surface gets the grail and 50% that the sous-terrain player gets the grail.

Though it is managable to make it without the grail.

My brother (a real expert) made it in less than 70 days I think (on impossible difficulty level). He got rank Arch Angel (the highest rank I believe).

If anybody wants the map drop me a mail: atahualpa@gmx.at

Ata

[MarkG]

quote: Originally posted by Harlequin on 11-20-2000 02:22 PM I trust sid's judgment. Hes the master. he made this game and i trust what he will do. These ppl did not. They in essense 'stole' his idea, tho his lack of presense is felt quite a bit, imo.

civ1 is based on a board game. did sid 'stole' their idea too?
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[Jen Dragon]

Who stole whos idea? Brian Reynols, in an article i read by him, somewhere, described where the idea came from. Empire, a simplistic game of cities producing a few types of units land, air, sea. Then there came all sorts of BBS onlin games that had plague units, nukes, a ton of units, research. So they, Brian Reynolds and Sid, comercialized the idea polished it up, added several ideas, tech tree, timeline, like Avalon Hill,...then you get Civ I. Without Brian's input, I'm holding my breath hoping Civ III will be a leap forward. Its kind of like Talon Soft taking credit for thier battleground series when SPI's Terrible Swift Sword had almost the exact same system down to the CRT.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Hmmm, I think Civ2/SMAC are the best games in the series.. Oh btw, I liked SMAC's graphics better than CtPs (not lying... 3d map was just AMAZING). And I think the story aspect of SMAC made it the best game out there, but there is just something about playing history, which is why Civ2 is tied with it.

[Blade Runner]

Harlequin,

An example:
If you remember the whole RTS mania strated with the Westwood Dune II. Yeah, I know Westwood is in the ring recently with the Red Alert 2, but nobady can argue i.e. AOK or Starcraft are better RTS games than the C&C serial.
Do you seriously think without the Dune II we have today AOK or Starcraft? I don't think so.
Do you think only Westwood have right to develop RTS games? Do you refuse to play a good RTS just because it is not Westwood product? (Provided you bother to play any RTS game.)

I read somewhere: Only seven original stories exist (known by ancient civilizations many thousand years ago) , everything else is only a remade of the originals.

I hope Sid will check out CTP2, and he will use the good ideas for his new masterpiece. I am sure we (players) just profiting, if there is competition between the two companies. I also hope, CTP3 will be better than Civ3. (IMO CTP2 is better than Civ2.)

Blade


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[Chaos]

true you didn't call anyone stupid. I apologize for that. It's just that your opinion is quite strong and comes off a little condescending.

[Depp]

Empire, god how I played that game. It was amazing fun and you could pay it hotseat as 3 players.

You had cities which could only build units, but you had air/navy/army in the game so it was strategical as well.
The civilization board game and later the advanced Civ computer/board game has little incommon with Sid Meiers Civ really. bot it's still fun.

I hope Sid makes a very different Civ 3, since Civ 2 was dull compared to when you first played Civ 1, the real masterpiece. Actually, when I go back to the classics it's Civ 1 i turn too.

[Harlequin]

quote: Originally posted by Zardos on 11-20-2000 02:32 PM I agree, Sid is the master. But soon the apprentice becomes the master. . .Ok I'll stop, but there are too many Kung Foo references to pass up. Civ II was definately a better game than CTP -- because it was polished. CTP should have been a beta version of CTP2. But even though Sid is the master, he can't think of everything, and his ideas are improved upon to some extent with the CTP games. Setting up Armies (versus one on one combat all the time). Units belonging to the empire was an improvement in my opinion -- it gave the impression that you are running an empire, not a collection of cities. Production works, not settlers (again the empire thing). Etc. But there is no doubt that Sid came up with the original, but who's to frown on some enhancements. Its all a matter of perspective. [This message has been edited by Zardos (edited November 20, 2000).]

This is quite true. To each his own i suppose. But the core statments i can not dispute. You are wise grasshopper

Harle

[Harlequin]

quote: Originally posted by Blade Runner on 11-21-2000 04:05 AM Harlequin, An example: If you remember the whole RTS mania strated with the Westwood Dune II. Yeah, I know Westwood is in the ring recently with the Red Alert 2, but nobady can argue i.e. AOK or Starcraft are better RTS games than the C&C serial. Do you seriously think without the Dune II we have today AOK or Starcraft? I don't think so. Do you think only Westwood have right to develop RTS games? Do you refuse to play a good RTS just because it is not Westwood product? (Provided you bother to play any RTS game.) I read somewhere: Only seven original stories exist (known by ancient civilizations many thousand years ago) , everything else is only a remade of the originals. I hope Sid will check out CTP2, and he will use the good ideas for his new masterpiece. I am sure we (players) just profiting, if there is competition between the two companies. I also hope, CTP3 will be better than Civ3. (IMO CTP2 is better than Civ2.) Blade [This message has been edited by Blade Runner (edited November 21, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Blade Runner (edited November 21, 2000).]

Your missing my point. Does every RTS look identical to dune? i think not. Hence why did ctp take so much from civ rather then rebuilding it from the ground up? ill tell you. to capitolize on the civ name and brand. Hence my statment.

Compition is good i agree. But taking someone elses work and just adding,editing to it and calling it yours is wrong.

Hope that clarifies

Harle

[Harlequin]

quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 11-20-2000 04:08 PM Originally posted by Harlequin on 11-20-2000 02:22 PM I trust sid's judgment. Hes the master. he made this game and i trust what he will do. These ppl did not. They in essense 'stole' his idea, tho his lack of presense is felt quite a bit, imo.

civ1 is based on a board game. did sid 'stole' their idea too?
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