PC.IGN Review!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Another bad one:
http://pc.ign.com/reviews/14118.html

6.0 (basically what CtP got).

[Monkey]

Rats Imran, you beat me to it!!!!

[EdCase]

He compared it to AOK???? oh dear how sad. He called it leisurely. I smell a "twitch" gamer.But yea the reference to board game is right with the exception of the over complex dig. Go back to Quake arena or Unreal Tournament (incidentally I own both and enjoy both immensely when the mood takes me) and leave the thinking game to those with a brain and an attention span greater than a goldfish i say

[PrinceBimz]

Exactly...this is why I am opening a game review site (www.gamersescape.com) I am personally tired of inaccurate reviews and we see it all the time. These people don't play the games but they write reviews!These people DON'T do it for fun the do it to get a paycheck. I have been seeing this for a long time now so I am going to correct it by myself and with my team.

When my site is up and running it will be the best and have the most honest and accurate reviews on the net. My staff on my site will be volunteers that feel the same as I do, FED UP! They are not getting paid and neither am I, this is being done to help put an end to false or favored reviews. Strategy games such as CTP2 as well as others is a hobby of mine and many, many others and we as gamers will not sit back and watch these people speak weak and false opinions about our games and destroy our hobby. So don't worry, when the Gamer's Escape team writes a review you can count on it and you can bet CTP2 will get what it deserves there I promise that. Why? BECAUSE WE PLAY THE DAMN GAME FOR MANY MANY HOURS AND WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE WRITING ABOUT! Enough said.

[MarkG]

oh god....

quote: Combat is much too abstract, with units neatly lined up and victory based on mathematical formulas.

1) usually armies ARE lined up in battles
2) did he prefer a victory based on randomness??

quote: Diplomacy is one of the more interesting aspects of the game, letting you adopt a wide range of stances and tones. You can make or break alliances, demand a city or gold in tribute, offer a new technology, forge pollution reduction treaties, and so on

that's it. 45 words for the diplomacy system!


btw, here are the paragraphs of the review
- introduction
- descpription of what a player does in the first part of the game
- mayors
- combat(this one like an unoconvetional unit, the cyber ninja, no mention of the others)
- gameplay. quick mention that the ai is easy(on which settings?)
- diplomacy and trade
- pollution(why is unusual? it existed in ctp1)
- graphics(comparison with aok???)
- conclusion

[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited November 21, 2000).]

[Maxxes]

quote: 2) did he prefer a victory based on randomness??

No, I suppose he prefers a 'command and conquor' like interface.

Obviously, this guy doesn't like this kind of games, i've no problem with that but they shouldn't write reviews about these games.

[Kautilya]

Yeah obviously this fellow hasn't played too many TBS games. The waffle about the "abstract" combat system is a tell-tale sign. In fact it seems to me that the combat model is richer because of the different classes of units; flanking, range etc. And it's certainly not more abstract than in Civ 2.

Another tell-tale sign is that there is no reference to any previous TBS game not even CTP-1. And of course that bizzare comparison to AOK.

Anyway I have realized from these two reviews that these quick reviews are all but useless for complex strategy games where you need about a hundred hours to really explore the game and especially gauge the quality of the AI. I think Civ2 and SMAC were to some extent over-hyped with reviewers overlooking the abysmal AI's and the tedious micromanagement. OTOH CTP2 appears to be getting a raw deal for some reason.

[Michael_101]

Unfortunately, it seems as if the norm of the new millenium is going to continue to be:

If it isn't RTS, it is boring! (

There are several RTS that I do like (AOK being among them), but overall, I am a TBS gamer. RTS games will never be able to accurately simulate an empire builder type of game (seriously, is it realistic to expect a ruler to be able to cover all of the nuasances of a galactic empire AND be present in the pilot seat of his super space destroyer all in maybe a one hour time allotment? :P )

Anyways, until the trend towards fast-and-flash (my term for the constant string of graphics heavy RTS games) ebbs, and thought and patience returns to the majority of computer gamers in the industry, this will probably be the way of things to come.

Oops...better get off that soap box

[Provost Harrison]

Yes, although it may be a good or poor game, we don't want to know how it compares to an RTS, we want to know how it stands up within the genre, how good it is to play and for that I feel a TBS man is needed. This bloke was too interested in how it stands compared to AoE and it is not a comparison that can be fairly made; they are two different types of game. I am still none the wiser about the game and would like to see a little more expert review.

Both types of game have their place, and this reviewer seems to lack the credentials to be able to assess TBS...

[Apollon]

Anyone else thinks the guy who wrote that crap has to be a major league *******?! I, like many others, haven't had the opportunity to play CTP2 yet (hasn't come to Europe yet). But I still think it's a great sequel, of what I've read and what I'm expecting I'm hunting the game each day, (almost), and waiting for the damn release

And as the news item says, over 30 % voted for excellent, and 15% voted for good, only 10% voted for bad (7%) and poor (3%). Waiting for the game, I'm torturing myself by reading these forums and getting even more enthrilled about the game
That's all for now, and all I have to say to the IGN reviewer, Up yours damn puff!

Apollon
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(no it hasn't )
[This message has been edited by Apollon (edited November 21, 2000).]

[Dark Renown]

quote: Originally posted by Maxxes on 11-21-2000 01:49 AM 2) did he prefer a victory based on randomness??

No, I suppose he prefers a 'command and conquor' like interface.