Anyone want a look at CTP2 tech poster?

[Monkey]

Courtesy of Playnow Australia
http://www.playnow.com.au/promos/act...dex.asp?id=304

The tech tree poster is now available online in pdf format.

[Nsae Comp]

I can only say GREAT!!!!!


------------------
Keep Smile and keep cleare in your head.
Everyone is its fate - and its environment - blacksmith

[Dauphin]

There are a few problems I could mention with the tech progressions, such as technocracy required for chaos theory or guided weapons required for nuclear power.
Only minor things though - overall it seems good.

[MarkG]

dont about the first but

quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch on 11-11-2000 09:03 AM guided weapons required for nuclear power

what's wrong with that?

[Ralf]

For those with slow computers/modems/small monitors and without Acrobat reader installed:

------------------------------------ Edited:
Damn formatting! At least it got somewhat better.
------------------------------------

The tech-tree consists of 12 rows of different tech-types:

Construction.................11 techs
Engineering...................8 techs
Seafaring.....................8 techs
Aerospace.....................7 techs
Military.....................13 techs
Economics.....................9 techs
Physical sciences.............8 techs
Cultural advancements.........5 techs
Environmental sciences........6 techs
Energy sciences..............10 techs
Medicine......................7 techs
Government & Education.......14 techs
-------------------
106 techs totally

U = Unit
C = City improvement
T = Tile improvement
Capital letters = Wonders

C O N S T R U C T I O N (from left to right):

STONE WORKING..........City wall (C), Fortification (T), PYRAMIDS
MASONRY................Aqueduct (C), GREAT WALL
CONCRETE...............Arena (C), FORBIDDEN CITY
FEUDALISM..............Capitol (C), Knight; Pikemen (U)
AGRICULTURAL...........Advanced farms (T), Mill (C)
INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION..Factory (C), Machine gunner (U)
OIL REFINING...........Drilling platform (T), Oil refinery (C), Submarine (U)
MASS PRODUCTION........Pt boat; Destroyer (U), Infrastructure (C), Sonar buoy (T)
ROBOTICS...............Automated fisheries (T), Robotic plants (C)
NANO-ASSEMBLY..........Nanite factory (C), Sea engineer (U), Undersea tunnels (T)
NANO-MACHINES..........Aqua-filter (C), NANITE DEFUSER, Undersea mines (T)


E N G I N E E R I N G :

TOOLMAKING.............Warrior (U)
BRONZE WORKING.........Hoplite (U)
IRON WORKING...........Samurai (U)
MODERN METALLURG.......Ironclad (U)
RAILROAD...............Food silo (C), Railroads (T)
ADV. URBAN PLANNING....Mega mines (T), Urban planner (U)
ARCOLOGIES.............Arcologies (C)
SMART MATERIALS........Dreadnaught (U), Mega undersea mines (T)


S E A F A R I N G :

SHIP BUILDING..........Coracle (U), Nets (T)
HULL MAKING............Longships (U), Port (C)
OCEAN FARING...........Carrack (U), EAST INDIA COMPANY
NAVAL TACTICS..........Battlements (C), Ship of the line (U)
ADV. NAVAL TACTICS.....Battleship (U)
NAVAL AVIATION.........Aircraft carrier (U)
FLUID BREATHING........Scout sub (U)
ULTRA-PRESSURE.........Advanced undersea mines (T), Crawler (U)


A E R O S P A C E :

AERODYNAMICS...........Airbase (T), Airport (C), Fighter (U)
VERTICLE FLIGHT........Cargo helicopter (U)
JET PROPULSION.........Bomber (U)
SUPERSONIC FLIGHT......Interceptor (U)
ADVANCED COMPOSITS.....Steath fighter; Stealth bomber (U)
SPACE FLIGHT...........Orbital laboratory (C), Space plane (U)
AI SURVEILLAN..........Spy plane (U), Security monitor (C)


M I L I T A R Y :

AGRICULTURE............Farms (T), Granary (C)
SLAVE LABOUR...........Mines (T), Slaver (U)
BALLISTICS.............Archer (U), Ballista towers (C)
HORSE RIDING...........Mounted archer (U), Trading post (T)
ALCHEMY................Fire trireme (U)
GUNPOWDER..............Infantrymen (U)
CANNON MAKING..........Cannon (U)
CAVALERY TACTICS.......Cavalery (U)
EXPLOSIVES.............Advanced mines (T), Artillery (U)
TANK WARFARE...........Tank (U)
ADVANCED INFANTRY......Marine; Paratrooper (U)
PLASMA WEAPONRY........Plasma destroyer; Leviathan (U)
NANO WARFARE...........Infector (U), Nano-defence (C)


E C O N O M I C S :

TRADE..................THE APPIAN WAY, Bazaar (C), Caravan (U), Roads (T)
BANKING................Bank (C)
ECONOMICS..............LONDON EXCHANGE, Brokerage (C)
COMMUNISM..............(None)
MASS MEDIA.............Outlett mall (T), Televangelist (U), Television (C)
CORPORATION............Corporate branch (U), EMPIRE STATE BUILDING
GLOBAL ECONOMICS.......Capitalization (C), HOLLYWOOD, Freight transport (U)
DIGITAL ENCRYPTION.....DATA HAVEN, E-bank (C)
VIRTUAL DEMOCRACY......EGALITARIAN ACT


P H Y S I C A L S C I E N C E S :

GEOMETRY...............Catapult (U)
OPTICS.................GALILEOS TELESCOPE
CHEMISTRY..............(None)
AGE OF REASON..........EMANCIPATION ACT
PHYSICS................(None)
QUANTUM PHYSICS........(None)
CHAOS THEORY...........Hover Infantry (U)
UNIFIED PHYSICS........Forcefield (C), NATIONAL FIELD


C U L T U R A L A D V A N C E M E N T S :

RELIGION...............RAMAYANA, Shrine (C)
DRAMA..................Theater (C)
PHILOSOPHY.............Academy (C), ARISTOTLES LYCEUM
THEOLOGY...............Basilica (C), Cleric (U), HAGA SOPHIA)
FASCISM................Fascist (U)


E N V I R O N M E N T A L S C I E N C E S :

MASS TRANSIT...........Public transportation (C)
CONSERVATION...........Nature preserve (T), Recyckling plant (C)
FUEL CELLS.............Eco-transit (C)
ECOTOPIA...............CENTRAL MATTER DECOMPILER, Eco terrorist (U), Matter (C)
GAYA THEORY............EDEN PROJECT, Eco-rangers (U)
GAYA CONTROLLE.........Gaya controller core (C), Gaya power satellites (C), Obelisk (T)


E N E R G Y S C I E N C E S :

ELECTRICITY............Listening post (T), Movie palace (U); wrong - probably (C).
INTERNAL COMBUSTION....Troop ship (U)
RADAR..................Mobile SAM (U), Flak towers (C), Radar station (T)
COMPUTER...............Computer center (C)
GUIDED WEAPON..........Cruise missile (U)
NUCLEAR POWER..........Nuclear plant (C), Nuclear submarine (U)
SUPERCONDUCTOR.........FIELD DYNAMICS LABORATORY, Maglevs (T)
NEURAL INTERFACE.......Cyber ninja (U), VR Amusement park (C)
FUSION.................Fusion plant (C), Fusion tank (U)
CYBERNETICS............War walker (U)


M E D I C I N E :

PHARMACEUTICAL.........Drug store (C), PENICILLIN
MODERN MEDICIN.........Hospital (C)
GENETICS...............GENOME PROJECT, Hydroponic domes (T)
GENE THERAPY...........Emphatic diplomat (U), WORLD PEACE CENTER
HUMAN CLONING..........Incubation center (C)
GENETIC TAILORING......Cornucopic vats (C), Kraken (U)
LIFE EXTENSION.........Body exchange (C)


G O V E R N M E N T & E D U C A T I O N :

WRITING................(None)
JURISPRUDENCE..........CHICHEN ITZA, Courthouse (C)
MONARCHY...............(None)
BUREAUCRACY............Diplomat (U)
CLASSICAL EDUCATION....Abolitionist (U), University (C)
PRINTING PRESS.........GUTENBERGS BIBLE, Publishing (C)
NATIONALISM............Spy (U)
DEMOCRACY..............(None)
CRIMINAL CODE..........Correctional facility (C), Lawyer (U)
CORPORATE REPUBLIC.....(None)
GLOBAL DEFENCE.........THE AGENCY
GLOBAL COMMUNICATION...Anti-ballistic missiles (C), GLOBESAT
TECHNOCRACY............(None)
NEURAL REPROGRAMMING...Behavioral mod center (C)

[This message has been edited by Ralf (edited November 11, 2000).]

[Dauphin]

Mark

I've never heard of a nuclear bomb or nuclear plant requiring a guided missile system to function.

Missile guidance and bomb dynamics are distinct components. Fat man (?) wasn't a guided missile. Chenobyl didn't have any missile guidance components either.
[This message has been edited by Big Crunch (edited November 11, 2000).]

[Slax]

Can anyone convert this pdf file to something easier (smaller) to download (and have it available here at Apolyton)?

[MarkG]

quote: Originally posted by Big Crunch on 11-11-2000 02:57 PM I've never heard of a nuclear bomb or nuclear plant requiring a guided missile system to function. Missile guidance and bomb dynamics are distinct components.

right.
but if you dont want to have two advancesm but one that basically gives nuclear missiles, what do you do?

[Dauphin]

quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 11-11-2000 05:55 PM if you dont want to have two advancesm but one that basically gives nuclear missiles, what do you do?

do what they did in civ2, where rocketry and nuclear fission was required to build nukes. Individually you could build cruise missiles or nuclear plants respectively.

If you don't have rocketry just use bombers with on board nukes. ICBMs are not the only delivery system.

[This message has been edited by Big Crunch (edited November 11, 2000).]

[Monkey]

Well besides a few minor quirks in the tech tree (like guided missiles needed for nuclear plants... maybe they thought missile warfare accelerated the development of nuclear power??) the tech tree looks a lot better.

Some things to point out.

1) Slavers need to be researched while city walls are now one of the initial techs. This should give a slight advantage to the non slaver civ.

2) Theology and Hagia Sophia been pushed back to the REnaissance age. Anyone who played CTP1 can tell how unbalancing it was for Hagia Sophia appearing as an ancient wonder.

3)A lot of the "stupid" wonders appeared to have disappeared or replaced by equivalent counterparts with better names. Examples include Labyrinth, Contraception, ESP center(this had a really stupid movie)

4) One of my favourite wonders has been retained... National Shield( kick a$$ movie and effect)

5) One of my favourite wonders has disappeared... Space Ladder . I always get such a sense of accomplishment when I built it.

[Swissy]

Guided Weapons represents advances in electronic senors and control circuits, both crucial in the developement of nuclear energy and weaponry. Since space has been practicaly eliminated in CTP2, Rocketry is not on the tech tree. Guided Weapons is a tech that would appear around the same time as Rocketry. The Germans in WWII had developed both. Fortunately for the Allies they were only able to produce limited weapons based on these technologies.