1040 Bc

[binTravkin]

I closed the poll, because with arriving turn it became irrelevant:

Bananas offer Meditation+Fishing for Iron Working, which we can accept and go straight for Sailing as Bananas don't have it (and I doubt they're going to research it).

What do others think?

[binTravkin]

UPDATE:
Also, Stonehenge has been built in an unknown size 5 city which has been founded in 2nd turn.
PJay do you have any data which of Horde, Sarantium or Mercs has that type of city(capital)?

[binTravkin]

Another update:
GS has both Masonry and Polytheism, so they can trade them to us next turn, we should negotiate this.

[binTravkin]

Our research times for Maths + Construction are 10 + 16 = 26, for Machinery = 27.
Knowing that GS has already half done Maths and that they have more GNP now (if they dont have libraries they will soon), this means, they'll be 5-10 turns before us at Construction, which is really bad for Vox and will make us really rush the Chukonu builds to get at Bananas in time.

[-SafaN-]

can u post a mid-turn save?
what decisions do we need to take yet?

[binTravkin]

I'll have to redo the turn - I screwed workers' movement unluckily. I hope that is no problem.

Decisions - do we try Sailing now?
Diplomacy - need to send GS a confirmation that next turn we're ready to accept the trade along with probably some explanation about MC.

[PJayTycy]

Sailing -> yes, for 1 turn
GS -> can't we propose the deal ouselves before sending on the turn? I don't think they can do anything but accept it, as we have a binding agreement.

If GS accepts the trade, we can switch to monotheism next turn already.

As for Stonehenge : that would probably be Sarantium. It's the only civ from the 3 "unknown" who built their capital in the second turn.

Also, we should send a diplo-message to both of them to notify them about the trades we did (like the TechTradeTerms tell us to do)

[binTravkin]

We cannot as Masonry is on 'can't trade' category - I guess this means they researched it last turn.

Yes, diplo message should be in order, we traded IW for Mediation and Fishing this turn.

[binTravkin]

Midturn save

- mine in 3 turns
- connected in 4 turns
- Sailing is 4 turns for us
- Xi'an grows in 2 turns
- Tassagrad finishes Axe next turn, should make another worker (5 turns)

[binTravkin]

Maybe we start moving axeman towards the fish-grain site this turn?
Tassagrad will have a new garrison next turn anyway and settler will be done in 3 turns, so axe should get some headstart.

We can move it quite quicky using road to Xi'an.

[PJayTycy]

oh, I didn't know we can't trade "fresh" techs (like Masonry from GS). I don't really see a reason for it in PBEM games, but it's probably necessary to prevent exploits with simultaneous turns.

About the settling location, could you whip up a picture with the proposed city locations ?

[Impaler[WrG]]

In my opinion their are 3 locations we should consider in the near future.

Rice River - east of the capitol on the coast to act as a Commerce city and jumping off point for operation 'Bannana Peel'

Marble Hill - the city adjacent to marble and near wheat/deer for getting that marble in our network

North Fish - the coastal site tucked between mountains with wheat and Fish in its to act as another coastal commerce city.


I think these 3 should be our next three cities but the order needs to be worked out based on our priorities.

[binTravkin]

PJay - as Impaler said.

To determine the order is imo very easy:

1.The marble site needs culture to be useful (it can then cover 4 resources in range and get the food to grow), which means either religion (missionary) or early production (obelisk/temple).
Currently we can provide neither of those, and currently we're more in need of commerce than extra build resources, so this is a weak option.

2.Rice river - all would be fine except for two things - rice won't be irrigated and there is no other good source of food. Also, we'd need immediate investment in it's infrastructure - it can only grow with the rice farmed.

3.I think the fish-wheat should go first because it has the necessary food to get itself running and actually build the most necessary things, starting with a boat, as well as to grow quickly and cover the coast for maximum commerce output.

That having said I also propose to start moving axeman at Tassagrad towards that city site to ensure it arrives a turn early and clears the path.

[PJayTycy]

For site 3, I guess we are settling on the tundra tile near the fish and not on the grassland near the wheat ?

I'm fine with moving our axe in that direction.

Was that the only thing we are waiting for to send on the turn?

[-SafaN-]

fishing village is priority, and send the axe yes

there is only one spot that covers the wheat and the fish.

don't think there is anything else to decide