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  • I am no longer your moderator...

    http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum6/HT...383.html?24#24

    You can follow that link to see why. Come to your own conclusions. I can only say that during my term as moderator this community came together to produce the most fantastic Wish List in gaming history (over 500 pages!). It might never be foot-noted anywhere or even mentioned when Civ3 gets released, but to see an on-line community stick it out for such a long period and with such determination was really a wonderful thing.

    Along the way I tended to stay awfully quiet. I absolutely hated closing or moving threads, and this made more work for Markos. In this regard, I think I have been a lousy moderator. I never came up with polls. I hardly ever even had a good topic to add these last several months. For that, I'm sorry.

    As you'll see in that controversial thread, Markos and I have very different thoughts about how "the public" should or should not handle its relationship with a gaming company. I think his is a one of "Keep a good relationship at all costs." He is notoriously rosy-eyed when it comes to problems in these games, and this clouds his vision.

    But I understand him. This is his baby. And we can all aree that Apolyton is THE place for Civ-related stuff. So he and Dan must be doing something right.

    On the other hand, I think he's sometimes too much of a company-boy for his own good. Then again, I'm sometimes too much of a trouble maker for my own good. In the end, he owns the board.

    I thank all of you who helped and put up with me for two years. In a sense, I'm greatly relieved not to have to check this board for something "offensive." I can just relax now and make Markos really work for his money.

    Thanks,

    Yin
    [This message has been edited by yin26 (edited March 06, 2001).]
    I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

    "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

  • #2
    Perhaps you misunderstood one things. Apolyton is not here to be a simple civ site. Apolyton is here to act as the intermediate between the developers and the community for the greater good of both. A bright example of this is the List. But when an apolyton forum moderator attacks a developer, he is not only harming apolyton, he is also harming the community in the long run

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    • #3
      Very sorry to read this.
      I think MarkG overreact about your post, but as you write this is a bit his house, so he and Dan rules.

      Sincerelly I hope you two now stop for a bunh of days to post about this discussion, then armistice and step back to more allied state

      Please, don't go away from this forum. I think you are a good Apolytoner member and I think will be a pity to lost you.

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      Admiral Naismith AKA mcostant
      "We are reducing all the complexity of billions of people over 6000 years into a Civ box. Let me say: That's not only a PkZip effort....it's a real 'picture to Jpeg heavy loss in translation' kind of thing."
      - Admiral Naismith

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      • #4
        quote:

        ...attacks a developer...


        Any examples? There was not one attack in my thread. Please find one.

        Adm.Naismith,

        Thanks.
        I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

        "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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        • #5
          quote:

          Originally posted by yin26 on 03-06-2001 04:25 AM
          There was not one attack in my thread. Please find one.
          a certain thread you decided to leave for the future.....

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          • #6
            So you are ASSUMING I am planning an attack? Man, this is just plain strange. Markos, are you feeling alright?
            I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

            "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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            • #7
              quote:

              Originally posted by yin26 on 03-06-2001 04:39 AM
              So you are ASSUMING I am planning an attack?
              i'm just seeing a pattern on deleted and existing threads...

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              • #8
                So, without any discussion with me whatsoever, you determine some "pattern," which so far lacks any concrete evidence of an attack, and decide to strip me of the moderator title? After two years you couldn't even send me a heartfelt e-mail asking me what I intend to do with the forum over the next weeks and months?

                Honestly. This is a baffling situation...
                I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

                "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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                • #9
                  I'm shocked! In my opinion, Mark overreacted. Yin DID a good job!

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                  • #10
                    Yin read your posts again and while you're reading them, imagine if they were written by someone else. And you might see you have an attitude problem.

                    I think MarkG does too. I think the moderators and admins around here need to relax. (Like Ming!!) (I think all admins and moderators around here should be either Kiwis or Aussies since we're all layed back BUT NOT STUPID). =)

                    I think Ming does the best job around here.

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                    • #11
                      quote:

                      Apolyton is here to act as the intermediate between the developers and the community for the greater good of both
                      That's nice. And stupid me thought it was to make money ...

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                      • #12
                        I too am sorry how this has turned out. Yin, one thing I have to give you - you alway spoke your mind - IMHO, this was actually refreshing and I for one will miss your moderation. I really do hope your not going to just "disappear quietly" - The forum still needs your voice

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                        • #13
                          Sorry to read this.

                          Mark, I politely disagree with you (may I?). It's true that this is your site and I understand that you need the "friendship" of developers, but don't forget one thing though: we, the gamers, the civ community, we buy the games and we post here on Apolyton. Be careful Mark, you may realize one day that Apolyton has very, very good relations with developers but no community at all.

                          I think that a place where people are beeing punished because they criticize a game or a developer, or because post something that you don't like, is no longer a wothwhile place to post.

                          I like Apolyton and the forums and especially the fact that we can come here to exchange ideas, dream about Civ3 and post good and bad opinions. Please don't change this, Mark.
                          "The only way to avoid being miserable is not to have enough leisure to wonder whether you are happy or not. "
                          --George Bernard Shaw
                          A fast word about oral contraception. I asked a girl to go to bed with me and she said "no".
                          --Woody Allen

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                          • #14
                            quote:

                            Originally posted by Tiberius on 03-06-2001 09:32 AM
                            I think that a place where people are beeing punished because they criticize a game or a developer, or because post something that you don't like, is no longer a wothwhile place to post.
                            and do you see that here? when was the last time you saw someone geting punished for saying something bad about firaxis?

                            a moderator is not a simple poster. his position is totally different and dictates certain things regarding his behaviour

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                            • #15
                              quote:

                              and do you see that here ?

                              quote:

                              But when an apolyton forum moderator attacks a developer, he is not only harming apolyton, he is also harming the community in the long run

                              You answered yourself.

                              quote:

                              when was the last time you saw someone geting punished for saying something bad about firaxis?

                              Except now? You're right, I didn't, and I hope I won't see it in the future, either.

                              "The only way to avoid being miserable is not to have enough leisure to wonder whether you are happy or not. "
                              --George Bernard Shaw
                              A fast word about oral contraception. I asked a girl to go to bed with me and she said "no".
                              --Woody Allen

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